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Обращаю внимание на особенность русского перевода. Сравним с оригинальной версией. Итак, после патча 4.0.1 для активации этой абилки необязательно, чтобы КП были на вашей текущей цели, достаточно, чтобы моб или игрок с настаканными КП был где-то неподалеку. Причем этот моб/игрок необязательно должен быть живым(!). То же самое касается и заживления ран.

Комментарий от BaxT

Всегда держите её на себе во время боя, с выхода Катаклизма скорость атаки повышает скорость восстановление энергии , то есть эта абилка еще и значительно повышает скорость набора энергии.

Комментарий от Niki086

На личном опыте многие могут это увидеть...

Комментарий от 790982

Мясорубка не просто добавляет 40%, но и повышает уже имеющееся значение % скорости атак ближнего боя дополнительно на 40%. Т.е. формула расчета скорости атак ближнего боя под мясорубкой:
<свой % скорости боя> * 1,4 + 40%.
Например, имея 10% скорости атак ближнего боя, под мясорубкой получим 54%. При 20% – получим 68%. И т.д.

Расовые способности, например, гоблинская Время - деньги, накладываются поверх результата расcчитанной выше формулы аналогичным образом. Т.е. формула расчета скорости атак ближнего боя гоблина под мясорубкой: (<свой % скорости боя> * 1,4 + 40%) * 1,01 + 1%.

Мясорубка не влияет на скорость восстановления энергии! Стоит различать понятия «скорость боя (скорость атаки)» (англ. haste, attack haste) и «скорость атак ближнего боя» (англ. melee attack speed). Скорость боя (скорость атаки) влияет на восстановление энергии и набирается, например, за счет рейтинга скорости (англ. haste rating). Мясорубка же относится к эффектам увеличения скорости атак ближнего боя и влияет лишь непосредственно на скорость самих атак, но не на восстановление энергии.

Чтобы проверить, влияет ли та или иная способность на регенерацию энергии, необходимо открыть английское описание способности, поскольку в английском языке слова haste и speed имеют различное значение, а потому там не возникает проблем с определением «назначения» скорости. Так, например, если открыть английское описание Мясорубки – Slice and Dice – то увидим надпись «melee attack speed», а не «attack haste». На регенерацию энергии влияют только haste-способности.

Сомневающиеся могут проверить отсутствие влияния мясорубки на регенерацию энергии на манекене. Для этого лучше всего подойдет ветка «Скрытность», поскольку можно будет бить одним лишь Кровоизлиянием, которое не генерирует энергию при критических ударах. Также в отличии от ветки «Бой» здесь не будет шанса восстановления энергии от ударов левой рукой и т.д. То есть вероятность генерации «лишней» энергии сводится к нулю. После пары подходов нарезания манекена по 2 минуты разница в количестве нанесенных кровоизлияний должна отличаться на 2-3 удара в пользу серии без мясорубки – активация мясорубки также требует энергию, а потому количество нанесенных кровоизлияний будет меньше, поскольку сама мясорубка не увеличивает восстановление энергии.

I'm basing the following remarks on my experience as a fledgeling level 19 rogue who rolled a few days ago:

If you're fighting a mob that's not too hard to kill (ie. you never get to put 3 combo points and his remaining life is much less than your eviscerate damage), it's much better and faster to just use SnD after the first combo point.

Fighting more than one mob of the same difficulty mentioned above, you might wanna save 2 combo points before SnD.

Комментарий от 2919

I tend to use this with only one combo point. I haven't run the energy conservation numbers, but at 1 point, you're getting 30% haste for 9 sec (longer with talents). For every CP you have past 1, it becomes less efficent per point. Although like I said, I'm not sure if it conserves energy this way, I really don't feel like crunching the numbers and talents at this moment. Has anyone else, perhaps?

Комментарий от Queggy

By putting 5 points in the combat tree and then 3 in the talent Improved Slice and Dice, you can increase the duration of this skill by 45%.

Комментарий от 47175

Slice and Dice is the single most effective ability at increasing a combat rogues dps, it should be up constantly when fighting.....it benefits subtelty/assassin also but for general grinding the burst damage from dagger specials means you rarely have to use SnD outside of an instance/raid.

For a combat rogue 50-60% of all dps is from white damage (basic auto-attack) so a 20-30% increase in speed is huge.

With the improved SnD talent, even 1 combo point is good for taking down most regular mobs around the same level as you.

Комментарий от Toldry

notice that as long as you have atelast 1 combo point on your target, and 25 energy, you can cast this even while far away from your enemy

Комментарий от 141113

Its pretty straight forward.
Yes, during raids it should be kept up 100% of the time during boss fights, along with Rupture. Considering 60% of our damage comes from white hits, this is the most important rogue ability, setting aside those necessary for CP generation.

Envenom is indeed inferior to eviscerate, as you are losing about 45 DPS after it is used until you fully rebuild your Deadly poison stack.

With t4 2p set bonus your cycle will be 1SnD/5Rupture, or in some cases 2SnD/5Rupture.

With about anything else it will probably need to be 3SnD/5Rupture.

Im in 4 pieces of t5 and i easily get away with 2SnD/5Rupture due to procs.

PUT SIMPLY:
Rogues who can manage to keep SnD and Rupture up 100% of the time during boss fights will have the best DPS. If you cannot rupture, Eviscerate.

Комментарий от Hiddenkiller

On my rogue I raid as Mutilate (41/20/0)
Whenever I'm in a raid I go with 2xDP on my weapons, to make sure I always, always have it on whatever we're fighting. As soon as the fight starts, I wait a couple of seconds, untill I see the first DP on the target, then I use Mutilate 2 times, and whoop-di-doo, 5 CP's, in the usual scenario (with the buff to Mutilate in 2.4 I hardly ever get 2 CP's from a Mutilate).
That makes the 3-5-5 rotation pretty obsolete, seeing as I, after 2 Muti's, have 5 CP's on the target, which sometimes allows me to throw in that extra finisher, aside from SnD and Rupture, usually Envenom, since it does more damage than Evis, and DP makes for a very small amount of a raiding rogue's dps.

As mutilate, more finishers -> Find Weakness is up more -> more damage from Mutilate, but I don't know if it affects Rupture as well.
If somebody could/have done some testing on this then that'd be nice. It'd do it myself, but I'm just too darn lazy..

Комментарий от cheesepizza

Rupture does proc find weakness since it's a finisher.

Комментарий от 57508

If you cannot rupture, Eviscerate.

Please never, NEVER use Eviscerate, kk it does scale with AP but it doesn't ignore your opponents' armor, instead if it's necessary use Envenom...

Комментарий от 158964

I have to admit, that as a lvl 49 assassination rogue, i never use SnD while grinding. It just isn't worth it for me, cause I open with CS, 4 or 5 point generation then KS, backstab, gouge (if not enough energy for a second backstab), eviscerate and if the mob still isn't dead, just spam SS.

Комментарий от 178479

This was Grom Hellscream's signature move in the Second War.

He could often be heard saying the phrase "Save your breath human, you'll need it for screaming when I tear you limb from limb!" While using it.

Lok Tar Ogar.

Комментарий от arkstok

Slice and Dice also increase the speed you can do with your skills? i mean while the duration i can hit sinister strikes fasters? or you recommend me to just use this skill with normal melee attack?

Комментарий от 89888

it burns off rather quickly though making it a tough ability to find a use for unless you are fighting something that casts "Chill" on you...

Комментарий от 90630

A reply to Arkstok.

All rogue abilitys are instant ( Afaik ) , yet the global cooldown is still there.
But keep SnD up and use your main attack, like sinister strike or hemo, as the white hits between the gcd will go faster.

Edit: Typo

Комментарий от xolhp

Not sure about the mechanics, but the duration can be buffed significantly.
Using Glyph of Slice and Dice to extend the initial 21 second (with 5 combo points)
to 24 seconds, and speccing Improved Slice and Dice. If the glyph stacks before the
talent, you can up the duration to 48 seconds. That's quite the difference from 21 seconds.

Then again, if you are Assassination spec you get Cut to the chase which makes all that
inferior =P

Комментарий от 1771

Does not break stealth =)

Комментарий от Kramp

Great for raids but terrible for PvP (a rogue's short lifespan in PvP means you should focus more on burst damage than buffing yourself)

SnD should be considered to stack poisons easier on a heavy dispelling target ( druid, shaman ) or to not waste combo points on a nearly dead target or when you need to switch focus.

Комментарий от 81225

Changed to 40% in patch 3.0.9.

Комментарий от 297487

Confirmed In action as of today.

Комментарий от 175818

The 40% bonus doesn't seem to be showing up on the character sheet when active. Still acting like a 30% bonus for the calculation

Комментарий от huntuer

when ever i use this ability, i seem to miss and my atacks seem to be reverted. is there a reson why this happens?

Комментарий от MarioMetroid

This ability (as well other buff-granting finishers such as the just announced "Recuperate") will be allowed to be used on corpses with combo points on them in patch 4.0.

Комментарий от 582434

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/compare?items=50474:51866.0.3817.0.41398.40128:50646.0.3808.0.40147.40112:51923.0.3330.0.40128.40112.40130:51820.0.3756.0.40112:51843.0.0.0.40112:51251.0.3222.0.40112:50995.0.0.0.40128.40112:51889.0.3823.0.40140.40112.40117:50633.0.0.0.40130:50604.0.0.0.40147:50653.0.3256.0.40128:45609:48722:50676.0.1103.0.40130:50676.0.1103.0.40130;51858:51858
100% haste is possible gear alone 30% trinkets over 30%. over60% now u can put Slice and Dice any talent tree can do it
but combat would be best for it since comet's trail has a chance of proc and other u have to use u can make that up with lightning reflexes+blade flurry
I see 3 ppl one rogue and 2 warriors stealth... sap rogue garrote warrior blade flurry then SnD let white and instant poison do all the work 3sec later dead sapped rogue like wtf im boned gouge rupture dead in 2sec. u might be as fast as hunters in range just to have fun equipe a gun and listen to the shot sound trying to catch up

Комментарий от 582434

back in BC i had4/5 assassination on,combat spec with 2 ceds carvers and was killing warp stalkers i opened up with CS got haste from assassination set put SnD then drums of battle. 50% haste from combat spec and SnD +assassination haste and drums of battle idk what % that is for lvl70 but i got from ceds carver 1.80 normal speed to 0.49 idk if they applied what mariosau said later after that day if not the other thing i posted on this page will be so OP

Комментарий от 650556

Currently (4.0.6) gives energy regen similar to haste rating. This might be a bug.

Комментарий от 165064

Glyphed and talented lasts 41 seconds at 5 points.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Anyone use this? I usually never do - seem to have better skills to use my combat points on

Комментарий от Thottbot

Does anyone know, if this stacks with the Trool ability...?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Troll* sorry^^

Комментарий от Thottbot

It does stack with the troll racial as of 1.9. Does anyone know if both of these AND blade flurry stack at the same time?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Troll racial + Slice and dice (non talented) = +45% attack speed for up to 20 seconds . . .
Think about it. PvP vice it is great.

Комментарий от Thottbot

My friend has a rogue and she commplains that this move seems to make her miss more and it doesnt crit as muchh...does it happen to anyone eolse?

Комментарий от Thottbot

Well, if you're swinging more often than you will be attempting to hit the enemy more often. If your chance to hit is low because of whatever reason, you might tend to miss more often. Just my two cents.

Комментарий от Thottbot

If you have all your talent points aimed at getting a higher chance to crit, and all of your armor set towards agility and/or strength this skill rocks.
I only use this with 1 combo, so its no big loss and I don't need it to last so long. If I'm in a really long fight I may use 2 combo pts, but thats really it.

What's great about this is that 20% faster means 20% more hits/crits, and if you are DPS/Crit based (you are a rogue right?) then that's 20% better chance to crit...with BOTH hands! You probably already spend the 5 points to increase your critical strike possibility 5% anyways, right? If you do, then with this ability, plus armor bonuses on agility, plus any other buffs we're talking 30-40% crit chance(=0) depending on your lvl.

That being said, I wouldn't spam this thing like crazy, but when you are in an instance with a proper tank, healer and such, 30-40% EXTRA chance to deal out a 400-700pt crit is a huge bonus. This skill is also nice if you have slower weapons like swords, maces, etc. and you are soloing some quests, it really *speeds* up the slaying.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Grab some high dps weapons and go at it. It increases white damage by an immense amount. Even better when you're combat specced.

Комментарий от Thottbot

good pvp & stff like dead mines but not 4 much of any other good

Комментарий от Thottbot

i ment stuff but messed up lol sry

Комментарий от Thottbot

I adjusted my talent points after the new patch to go full on assination. I left my slice and dice at the lowest level and still love it.

I usually only need one combo point during a fight and the poision stacks up. I use swords with heavy damage and the speed and difference is amazing using the slice and dice.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This is imba.
Just use Ambush > 1-2 combo points (with the right spec), Slice and Dice (that's 12 seconds, more than enough), and start collecting combo points from here...
IMBA! +30% to normal damage = I.W.I.N.!

Комментарий от Thottbot

Right, this is one of THE best abilities rogues have, DON'T under estimate it. I ALWAYS have it up on my rogue, 100% of the time I'm fighting I have slice and dice up. Why? Because it's vital. You just think that you miss more, but it's actually because the hits are coming faster..your miss rate is the same, but if you were attacking without SnD, the misses would still come just not as often. You attack much more often, and it increases dps by a great amount. I don't know why rogues don't use slice and dice, but it only takes 1 combo point here and there to keep it constantly up, not that demanding..I first started using it at about level 50 and haven't stopped using it since; before then I thought it was useless until I got addicted to it.

There's a reason we have Feint..that being said, SND!

Oh by the way..you people that use Swords and you're night elves..keep on wondering why you miss so much, maybe night elves aren't the best choice for sword rogues, but that's my "2" cents.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I didn't start using this until lvl 25 or so, but i found it to be a great ability. Just get 1 combo point and use it. In the lower lvls, just BS or ambush then use this ability. It increases your dps by a lot. This and evasion helps you tackle mobs that normally you wouldn't be able to deal with.

Комментарий от Thottbot

using expose armor is no good in raids as it does not stack with sunders and in fact overrides them. meaning dead rogue.

Комментарий от Thottbot

i dont normally use it, although its a good ability imo...why?

i normally get 4 CPs when the monster is at 10% or so...slice and dice would be a waste...im still low lvl on my rogue though

Комментарий от Thottbot

one dude said if u do normally 300 dmg u do 900 with this in a min. BULL#$%^! 300 /100 * 30 = 390. and even that is NOT true because that 300 initiall dmg is from abilites too such as sinister strike or eviscerate etc. this spell only does 30% more NORMAL dmg.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I never use this on my Rogue, it is pretty rubbish so I hope they improve it, prefer eviscerate.

Комментарий от Thottbot

IMO this is best used with mace specialization to get more hits in and thus stun more often. also, just think, you only need 1 or 2 points in it (especially if you improve it) to get a decent amount of time on it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

ok, im a combat rouge and im not sure what to use, so im gonna do some calculating and find out, here is my work.

ok, im a combat rouge and im not sure what to use, so im gonna do some calculating and find out, here is my work.

stats
level 65
Strength 118
Agility 332
Attack power 970
Crit rate 19%

assuming the enemies have about 30% reduction do to armor(witch is about how much most mobs have agent there level)at 5 combo points eviscerate will do is 1428.43X.70=999.901 (min damage+max damageX ).

rupture will do 1770 every time because it is 800+ attack power defense will not be deducted in game so that gives it an advantage.

S&D; gives me a white damage bonus of 30% for 21 seconds.
the game calculates your dps of white damage in melee stats mine is 127.6 and 91.6 so i get a total of 219.2 white dps and 30% of that is 65.76 dps increase X.70 X crit chance = 54.77808 dpsX 21 seconds = 1150.339...

Eviscerate min damage+max damageX -defense

Rupture800+weapon damage

S&D; (main hand dps+ offhand dps)X crit rate -defense

Комментарий от Thottbot

I havent taken much time to look in to it a lot but here is what I have so far. I am lvl 70 combat rogue, I use SnD, Blade Flurry a ton, that right there is a 50% increase. So, increase of what? I am asking because I have 4 things right now that add to haste rating, SnD, BF, Assassination set bonus(160 haste) and the Abucus trinket(i believe its 260 haste). Those all stack it looks like, and with them all stacked it says its close to 40% haste in the character sheet or 420 haste. My question is how do you figure this, and what does it go by. My main hand is 2.6 and OH is 1.6 speed, with all these stacked my speed goes to MH 1.19 and OH .73, the dps is almost impossible to view with the shortness of some of the buffs but according to my damage meter by the time the mob died i was at 851dps which is nice. There is one other factor tho, because I am going to get a mongoose enchant soon also, and plus if I am in a raid with a shammy that drops WF thats another 30%, so how fast could I possibly swing? Its just asking for agro I know. And btw since I went combat, I havent used hardly any other abilities but SS and SnD and BF when its up and I am usualy near or at the top of damage meters just doing white damage for the majority of the time, saving energy for those ever important kicks and stuns and such.

Комментарий от Thottbot

combat (dagger) spec will push out loads of dps if u keep ur SnD up, you'll be mostlikely to be in the top 3 dps in every raid

Комментарий от Thottbot

this is good if u are a dagger rogue, open up w/ ambush then this, the target should die in 9 secs unless you need new weaps...

Комментарий от Thottbot

when you think about it, you get the most out of this when using it with only 1 combo point. 1 point = 9 seconds, 2 = 12, 3 = 15 and so on. this means that you get 9 seconds with 1 point and 3 addition seconds with every other point. so when grinding, it might be in your best interest to just do "Opening move", slice and dice, get 5 points, evis, if they arnt dead yet, then get one more point and slice and dice again. of course, this will change when raiding.

Комментарий от Thottbot

If you use S&D; with one CP, and you have 3TP in Ruthlessness odds are you will get that CP back. I also have TPs in Relentless Strikes and Combat Potency so after 9 seconds I am more than likely to get the 25 energy back. Good chance the long run cost is nothing, while I gain a significant amount of added damage, chance to stun, apply poisons, etc. This is not so much a "Finishing Move", rather a "Second" move.

Комментарий от Thottbot

well right now im combat specced (but i change allot) and every specc i do i find this usefull,

i usually cheaspshot - slice and dice, and thats it from there i know i will win

simple to use pvp and pve

Æcém lvl 51 undead rogue - EU auchindoun

Комментарий от Thottbot

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I didnt know it til now, but the speed bonus DOES stack with Blade flurry (trainable in combat talents) So, you can use this, blade flurry, and go 40-50% faster (depending on if you have rank one or two of Slice and Dice) while attacking two mobs! Very useful when you're in a place like STV fighting Jungle Ravagers with young jungle ravagers.

Edited, Apr 19th 2007 4:21am by Mehros

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Мясорубка

Мясорубка

Энергия: 25	Радиус действия: 100 м

Мгновенное действие

Завершающий удар, повышающий скорость атаки в ближнем бою на 40%. Время действия зависит от длины серии:
1 прием: [(9 + $?s56810[6]$[0]) * (100 + 0) / 100] сек.
2 приема: [(12 + $?s56810[6]$[0]) * (100 + 0) / 100] сек.
3 приема: [(15 + $?s56810[6]$[0]) * (100 + 0) / 100] сек.
4 приема: [(18 + $?s56810[6]$[0]) * (100 + 0) / 100] сек.
5 приемов: [(21 + $?s56810[6]$[0]) * (100 + 0) / 100] сек.

Аура

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Скорость атаки ближнего боя повышена на 40%.
Осталось: 6 сек.

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Энергия: 25

Радиус действия

100 метров (Vision)

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Apply Aura: Mod Melee Attack Speed
Значение: 41
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Не зависит от неуязвимости
Не прерывает режим скрытности
Не создает угрозы
Требует наличия очков комбо на цели
[Ignore Line of Sight]
Невозможно промахнуться
Не отображать дальность
[No Harmful Threat]
[Not an Attack]
[Taps immediately]
[Aura Points On Client]

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