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Играю в ветке скрытности на БГ, делал квест ради ножиков которые получше чем то что за хонор можно купить :)

Делюсь своими впечатлениями, надеюсь поможет "рожкам" пвпешерам скрытности в соло фарме:

Билд можно оставить стандартный для БГ. Я бы наверное если пошел еще раз взял бы такой https://www.wowhead.com/cata/ru/talent#fMhbZbZcGfcdu0RGo:mkVisfcmV Символ Символ ослепления обязателен, кидается когда просядет хелс капитально. За время действия блиндов успеете похилится бинтами и откатятся важные КД. Символ Символ подготовки поможет использовать Пинок второй раз если миснет сбитие каста.

Сам бой состоит из двух стадий. Бурстить лучше во второй, босс примет форму дракона и будет кастовать Темное дыхание во время каста он неподвижен. Забигаем за спину и бурстим :)

Важно следить за кастами и реагировать на них. Тут https://www.wowhead.com/cata/ru/npc=57802#comments:id=1583141 все расписано на английском, перескажу своими словами.

Воля Чернорыка - сбивать обязательно, в пвп шмоте входящий дамаг серьезный. Если Пинок миснет, а Подготовка на кд можно использовать любой контроль как в пвп - Парализующий удар Подлый трюк Удар по почкам

Всепожирающая тьма - немного дамажит сразу и создает на земле лужу стоя в которой получаете очень не кисло. Сбивать каст любой ценой не стоит. Но из лужи выходить обязательно.

Темное дыхание - Про это уже писал. Использует в форме дракона. Дамажит тех кто стоит перед ним. Сбивать впринципе ненадо :) Используем Шаг сквозь тень чтобы встать за спиной боса и вливаем.

Поскольку босс впервой фазе типа как милишник, то используем стандартные умелки для снижения урона от мили: Ускользание Боевая готовность , а Ложный выпад cнизит еще и урон от аое боса! КП набиваем Кровоизлияние и держим 100% аптайм Заживление ран и Мясорубка. Стараемся держать на босе "запасные" КП, на случай если нужно будет сбить каст. Добиваем традиционно для ПВЕ сначала Рваная рана а потом Потрошение

На левую руку можно намазать Дурманящий яд и обновлять его Отравляющий укол. На правую как обычно.

И еще наверное важный нюанс что рейтинг скорости боя на этом боссе важнее чем крит. Ну это так, просто так показалось ;)

Удалая@Галакронд

Комментарий от 958459

а можно с каким нибудь другим персом ворвать, к примеру, с ДК?

Комментарий от Nimsi

Не буду рассказывать что да как, а просто покажу!
Относительно босса могу сказать следующее:
Яды
- МХ: Быстродействующий яд
- ОХ: Дурманящий яд
Бьем в комбате, с таким билдом!
Бой начинаем из инвиза и вскрываемся с чип шота!
От босса бегаем квадратом, минимальная потеря дпс и меньше паники.

Если помог, буду не против лайка!
Маппер@Дракономор
Удачи!

Consuming Darkness - Spawns a short range AOE underneath the player. Should be moved out of immediately to reduce damage taken.
- Blackhowl's Will - A strong ranged attack that eliminates your energy. This cast should be interrupted by any means (Kidney Shot, Kick, talented Deadly Throw, Blind, Gouge, other).
In phase 2 he adds a fourth spell to his arsenal:
- Shadow Breath - This is a negligible ability, and only requires the player to move behind Creed. Creed will not turn while channelling the second half of the cast, which allows the player to take no damage and allows the Rogue to deal some easy damage. Do not waste a stun or interrupt on this cast, just move. The channeled part of the cast is not affected by Mind Numbing Poison.
Phase 3 he goes Berserk:
- Berserk: Deals 100% more damage, activated 2 minutes after you start fighting Creed.

Комментарий от 467127

Lord Hiram Creed

Комментарий от xnihilo

About
Lord Hiram Creed has 1.8 million health and summons no adds. He is stunnable and interruptible. Theoretically, he has two phases, but looking at the fight as a single phase encounter is much simpler. He has the following abilities:

Воля Чернорыка is an interruptible ability that will drain all of your energy. It has a 1.5 second cast time and you must make sure to interrupt this as often as possible (every cast, ideally). If your Пинок is unavailable, you can stun Creed instead.
Всепожирающая тьма is a void zone that Creed will regularly place under you. Simply move out of it to avoid taking damage. The spell has a cast time, and Creed will cast the ability at the location where you were standing at the start of the cast, so you can even avoid all of the damage if you move quickly enough. You can stun him to stop this cast, but it is not needed.
Темное дыхание is a standard frontal cone Shadow Breath attack that Creed starts casting after he goes below 75% health. It has a 1 second "build-up" cast, giving you ample time to move behind the boss.
4 minutes after pulling him, Lord Hiram Creed becomes enraged, increasing his damage dealt by 500%.

The fight against Lord Hiram Creed is not difficult, and it can be performed as any of the tree Rogue specialisations.

Tips

Keep a high uptime on Заживление ран throughout the fight;
Make use of your cooldowns regularly, to mitigate the damage that you take (Плащ теней, Ускользание, etc.);
Use Дурманящий яд to make it easier to interrupt or avoid his casts;
Cast Ослепление on Lord Hiram Creed, giving yourself ample time to restore health (Recuperate and bandages);

Overall, as long as you are consistently avoiding the void zones and breath attacks, as well as interrupting Blackhowl's Will, you should have no problem whatsoever.

After killing Lord Hiram Creed and looting the Фиал с кровью черного дракона, you must return the quest to Zazzo Twinklefingers. He will give you a follow-up quest, .

All credit goes to Icy Veins.

Комментарий от 78426

When I did this earlier today, there was actually another rogue already there (stealthed) and Creed was tapped. We ended up working together (out of party, given he was the other faction), and it appears we both got credit for it. So it's quite possible that if you have any rogue buddies, or just spot anyone else there, you can make this quest significantly easier.

Комментарий от priapus

You're missing out if you cheese the first part. This is the probably most fun Ive had on a quest in a long time though it is tricky and may take some time.

Buffs that help during Creed fight - kings drum, fort scroll, food, flask, potions

As Combat - Disarm, Kidney Punch as often as possible. Always have Recup up. Use defensive cds on cd. Get out of the bad and interrupt. Gouge/Bandage macro can help too. I imagine Sub might even be easier for this fight.

Also, (thankfully) you don't have to do the stealth part again if you die to the boss.

Комментарий от 920914

I just got him last night. I sent and respecced a survival combat spec which included imp recouperate, reinforced leather, and quickening. Here it is for now:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dalaran/Kabalas/talent/primary

The big key is the blind glyph. The buffs i had were an agility flask, dodge food, deadly poison, and instant poison. You can put mind numbing in place of instant if you feel you need some extra time on the interrupts, but as you get the hang of it, you wont really need it.

I engange him with a stun and beat the hell out of him getting a 5 point recoup up as soon as i can. I think get him stunned with 5 points again as soon as I can. When he comes up and i have to engage him evasion comes into play. By now you should be doing pretty good damage to him and hopefully he willl change forms. This is when it gets easier. Just continue interrupting the blackhowl's will (that is a must) and using your varioius survival cooldowns. I start kiting when he drops those shadow bombs as soon as I see the cast bar. His shadow breath is a time for free reign on beating him up.

Once he got me to about 40K i blinded him. This is where the blind glyph becomes of major importance. It removes all your bleeds so he stays stunned. I bandage up and let recouperate go all the way through so I am basically healed all the way up.

Then its just a matter of repeating. I couple cooldowns will come off and allow you to use them again. Keep the interrupt on the howl and avoid the aoe and the fight is yours with lots of life to spare.

I ended up not really using it, but the glyph for cloak of shadows that reduces your damage by 40% while its up is a good idea to take also. The fight really does make you use all your rogue abilities and as long as you dont get impatient and force things, the daggers fear and vengeance will be yours!

Комментарий от Icemagic

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I like to play assassination but with my usual raid spec i found i couldn't kill him. So i decided to respec for this fight and found it was a walk in the park with the right talents.

here is the spec that I chose - https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent#fcIfzsGzorobZbhc:RVqimoVz0

The key talents for this fight would have to be Improved Recuperate, Deadened Nerves, Quickening, and at least 1 point in Deadly Brew for kiting.

If your health is running low and you have to kite, make sure it is after you interrupt Blackhowl's Will so you wont get hit by that.

Комментарий от 629338

That Drakonid must be some kind of tactical geniu-
CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

Комментарий от Shafara

After tons of trying to kill this guy. I've decided to respec everything.

My talent tree - https://www.wowhead.com/cata/talent#fchfrchzRGobZbGz:VRqimRczM
Including glyph choice. See glyph at bottom right.

You start sapping him and it will trigger and should reduced the damage taken by 70%.
After effect end, disarm him, keep in mind you also need to interrupt the Воля Чернорыка and move out the purple ground. Keep up recuperate and use evasion if your HP below 60%.
The breath is easy to dodge. Always use kidney shoot and gauge. Clock of shadow is useful when there is too many Всепожирающая тьма or didn't make in time to interrupt.

Item that can help - Agility Flask, dodge or agility food, Health potion, bandage, and any profession perks.

Don't vanish, it will reset the boss and port you back to the gnome.

Комментарий от Totemizer

I did this as an Assassination rogue with no extra buffs without having to use blind or bandages.. It was fairly simple. To sum up the encounter as Assassination you MUST do the following:

- Always have recuperate up. ALWAYS.
- Use his abilities against him. Meaning don't stun him if he is using Shadow Breath. Just step out of it and wait for him to start swinging on you again.
- Keep Dismantle up (it should always be on cool down)
- Don't stack your cool downs. Meaning don't use CR if you just popped evasion or if you stunned him.
- Kicking or interuppting the spell the drains your energy is must. If for some reason he starts casting it while you are running away from the AoE use your CoS (Cloak of Shadows) or your smoke bomb.

IF you absolutly need to bandage and don't have the Blind Glyph you can sprint around the room and he will be far enough back where he wont be doing damage to you, and you can wait for your DoT's to fade. Before you start running away try to get a 5 point Recup up. Start kiting him, blind, bandage/potion.

I used Instant / Deadly poison with the Crippling Poison spec ( which was a help so I could kite him while recuperate ticked a little bit)

Комментарий от Tykes

Done as Sublety rogue. Fairly easy.

Tip: don't kick Shadow Breath. You can take advantage of the fact that he doesn't move or turn around while casting. Give him some Backstab damage for example, or make a quick First Aid heal if you need.

Комментарий от 820341

I managed on my second try as subtlety, pvp spec with quickening and imp recup in almost full Ruthless gear. I even forgot to reapply my poisons!

Fairly easy fight. Keep recup up. Just use all your defensive cd's (dismantle, cr, evasion, blind, gouge, sprint) one at a time when your health goes down a bit. He did about 2.5k dps on me, and i did 2k healing per second (not counting overhealing). the fight took close to four minutes for me to finish.

Strafe around to avoid the rings. Get behind him for some backstabbing action when he casts the breath thing. Kick the energy stealing cast. Pull out every damage cd you have out of your hat in the beginning to have them off cd again later in the fight. I timed this with my first dismantle so wouldn't have to worry about my health during this.

This is a lot like a PVP 1vs1 against someone that sucks, but has 15 times your health.

Комментарий от AdamGM

This is insanely difficult to solo. Don't take the mindset that it's easy and be ready to realize that you may not be able to complete this.

Комментарий от Insertion

Friend and I found a good 2man strategy for Creed. When you have two rogues, you can have the lower-dps rogue kite him, ONLY hitting when Creed is stunned to keep Recuperate up. The rogue hitting Creed should help you keep aggro with Tricks. Both of you should alternate stuns. Don't stand in #$%^, and enjoy your daggers!

Комментарий от OhTeeSee

Not sure if this is common knowledge, but noticed it had not been mentioned. Using blind will reset his 2 minute enrage timer, so make sure you don't pop this ability prematurely, as it won't be up when you need it otherwise. Was a very long fight for my rogue who was fairly undergeared. Hope this helps, and good luck to all you rogues out there.

Комментарий от 764736

As an assassination spec, I did two things that helped me in the beginning of this fight.

First, I built up 5 combo points on Creed by using cheap shot and mutilate, then I vanished. He will keep the five combo points even though you are no longer in combat.

I then waited for vanish to reset, sapped, pre-potted a potion of Tol'vir, re-stealthed, used vendetta, and then used the 5 combo points from step one to activate recuperate, before opening with garrote. Having that 5 combo recuperate going from the start made a big difference.

Enjoy

Комментарий от 781590

this guy started off impossible to beat, but it turns out with a little practice he's not so bad... the only reason i beat him was thanks to my poisons, i used the poison that slows your opponents casting time, and the poison thats slows their movement(otherwise he was casting to fast for me to react and know whether to interupt, run to the side, run behind him, whatever) but once i got the hang of knowing what to do for each move, i really suprised myself and took em down rather fast. save ur kick and kidney shot(only two i had to use although gouge works too) for the shadow's vill or whatever it's called, the one that takes 18,000 health and drains ur energy. just run thru him and attack from behind when he uses shadow breath, and simply move out of purple shadow puddles on ground all while keeping recuperate up. remember combat rogues that recuperate has better results when u use revealing strike.

Комментарий от Dragoniel

Surviving this thing isn't much of a problem. I done 75% of this fight without even having the recuperate up as combat rogue - my gear sucks and I found DPS to be the problem, to kill him before he enrages.

If you find yourself in a similar position consider using deadly+instant poisons combination instead of utility and focus on dps as much as possible. Flasks, potions and stuff probably helps, but I had none of them and still killed him with 1 minute to spare when focused on killing rather than surviving.

My gear is a horrid mix of ilevel 371 PvP stuff, 378 PvP swords and 390 PvP offset pieces. PvP focused spec.

Комментарий от WebDev

Just beat him. awesome feeling especially when i always died like at 80% of his health before :)
So, i didn't change my Combat spec at all (the common one used on elitist). But since i was like 98% leveling as a Subtlety, combat is kinda new for me and i play really bad.
And here what i did really change:
- replaced 3 major glyphs to the following: Kick, Gouge, Blind. First, i thought about Glyph of Gouge but it's unnessessary here, i bearly used Gouge like 1-2 times (requires too much energy). Kick was enough for interrupting Blackhowl's Will.
- changed Instant Poison on MH to Mind-numpting Poison.

I think everyone here had already stated to have Recup (after 5combo) up always. Also, i find it really easier when boss learn ability of Shadow Breath. It's really easy to evade and he doesn't do any other damage, like stun almost that cool :D After he finished his Shadow Breath, if recup is still up feel free to stun him.

Thanks for all your nice and helpful comments!

PS: my ilvl was 366 when i beat him.

Комментарий от MCMXCIX

Here's something to make the fight easier:
if you and a healer have done the Silverpine Forest quests (possibly only the ones in Gilneas, but I did all of them just in case), the healer can fly to you and be in your (but not Creed's) phase. This means that they can't target Creed, but they CAN target you, so you dps while they heal you. Made the fight infinitely easier. I was a 350 or so ilvl, so I could only get him down to around 75% alone. At 85, it didn't take long at all to do the quests in Silverpine, assuming you and your healer haven't already done them.

Комментарий от xalis007

I was trying creed for three hours (since i had blue and green daggers) then i found a very good combat specc but that was not the key because i was not doing enough dps to kill him b4 he berserks but i found out that sometimes blind resets the timer of berserk ( this happens sometimes not always)

Комментарий от sayne9

Did this today on my poorly geared alt rogue as assassination. Tried it a couple of times with the basic raid build and had my butt handed to me. Switched to my leveling build that had improved recup and deadened nerves and no venomous wounds and it was pretty easy. Keep recup up, kidney shot while he isn't doing his frontal cone, and interrupt all the will's that you can. I didn't have mind numbing on me and didn't want to risk having to stealth through town again so had to be quick but those would be a huge help I am sure just putting it on your thrown and applying it that way. Didn't dismantle or blind because the need to never came up with the constant kidney shots.

Комментарий от maxheadroom

Another tip, when you get to Creed, jump into a Battleground (any will do but the larger the better so AV is ideal) soak up all those pre match raid buffs then /afk out again.

yeah it's a bit under handed, but we are rogues ;)

Комментарий от 116425

Just finished this quest not to long ago on my rogue and I must say it was fairly easy to down Creed. After reading these posts I noticed the one thing that I had done differently was having Shadow Protection up. I couldn't take a hit when he went enraged and started taking 90k-120k damage and I only had 126k hp and I found that with Shadow Protection on I could continuously fightlonger without having to use blind until Creed was near 30% where I dropped to 40k hp for the first time about 3 minutes into the fight. The fight didnt last much longer after that

Комментарий от 754425

Just thought I should comment, I successfully killed him as an ilvl 376 fully pvp geared rogue.
Followed some of the strategies above, just make sure to use everything you have in your arsenal, make sure, if you're going to kite wait until he casts Blackhowl's Will right before you do.

It isn't as impossible as it seems when you first try, so keep trying.

Also i had no consumables, but i did use bandages.

Комментарий от 338957

I just got him down with 7551 dps, so it doesn't take much. No kiting. No blind. Minimal stuns.

Buffs: Flask of the Winds, Skewered Eel
Poison: Instand Poison (MH), Mind Numbing Poison (OH)
Opener: Kidney shot then Killing Spree then Combat Readiness
Cooldowns: Berserking and Adrenaline Rush
Damager: Sinister Strike
Finishing Move Priority: Recuperate, Slice n Dice, Kidney Shot
Heals: I brought Rogue Draughts and Dense Embersilk Bandages but I didn't need them.
What I learned from my previous wipes: Blind can cause you to hit the enrage timer.

Комментарий от Coldheart

Did this with 378 ilvl.
Just take some buffs of your friends and a flask of steelskin GG

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