One thing I noticed a lot of people forgot was that for hunters, 1agi=2ranged attack power. Roughly 52 agi is the equivalent of +1% crit. And for hunters we have our quivers and ammo pouches which increases ranged attack speed. So with all of this into account and using the formula above for ranged attack damage, both bows are really nice, but I feel it is up to the hunter rolling for it to decide what is better because they know best how they want their toon built.

I know all of you rogues love agi, but hunters do too. And ranged weapons, regardless of whether it be a bow, xbow, or gun, is a hunters best weapon. How would rogues feel if a hunter rolled on a dagger or sword with nice agi on it. I don't think you guys would like it at all and that is how we hunters feel with people saying certain ranged weapons are better for classes other than hunters.

But don't get me wrong here, if no hunter needs then by all means rogues warriors whoever roll for it, but hunters should get first dibs if they feel it will be an upgrade to their character.

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These threads have more enthusiasm than the scientific community. You with all your formulas and calculations. Me being a 60 rogue, I would say this would be a nice weapon but I would pass it to any hunters. It looks like shi# anyways. I think all the AQ stuff do. I rather have a gun anyways they are cooler. Me being a rogue, I only use ranged whenever people root me or freese me or start running away. (vanish is used up)

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1. Multishot - The attack power of this skill has been normalized. All ranged weapons will now use 2.8 as the standard multiplier. Weapons that are slower than 2.8 will see their damages reduced slightly, and weapons that are faster than 2.8 will see their damages increased slightly.

2. Aimed shot - (Same as above)

Discuss...

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When ranged weapons get normalized to 2.8 speed, Huhuran will be the #1 dps PvE weapon for Hunters. Edging out Xbow of Smiting by .5 dps.
This dps bonus will be slightly higher for trolls (like me), thanks to their bow specialization.
Xbow of Smiting will still be the PvP champion, thanks to its slow speed.
In most guilds, Hunters would have the opporunity to get this bow first. Then the rogues / warriors could fight over it.

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Why do rogues want this so much? Wouldn't Striker's mark, Heartstriker, or Bow of Taunt(NR!) Sinew be better. hell Stiker's mark has more AP and chance to hit!.

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1.10 Patch will normalize hunter's shots to 2.80. So u should see the use of all ranged weapons atm, thinking in near future. Here is the new table counts:

New DPS Old DPS Name

1 454 3 451 Huhuran's Stinger

2 454 1 473 Ashjre'thul X-bow of Smiting

3 451 6 445 Blessed Qiraji Musket

4 450 2 453 GM Xbow/Gun

5 447 5 447 Dragonbreath HC

6 445 4 448 Rhok'Delar

7 444 9 438 Heartstriker

8 436 13 430 Blastershot

9 436 7 445 Xbow of Imminent Doom

10 436 10 436 Gurubashi DD

This makes ONLY IN DPS Hururan's Stinger and Ashjre'thul the best ranged weapons of the game.

Now its time to take care of adicional stats:
What u preffer? 18AGI? or 36AP?

Personaly i prefer 18AGI, since i get:
+0,33% crit
+36 range-ATP (The exactly the same that Ashjre'thul only give)
+36 armor
+0,66% dodge

SO, if u wanna talk about ATM, yes Ashjre'thul is the best Ranged of the game. If u wanna talk about the future, 1.10 patch, that will be released in a few weeks... GET HUHURAN's STINGER!

Note: An in my case, i have Lightning Reflexes 5/5, that means 18 Agility +15%, that will improve much more all stats :))

Комментарий от Thottbot

If a rogue/warrior wants a "Stats ranged weapon"

ZG/MC/BWL:

- Mandokir's Sting: +11 agility +8 stamina
- Blastershot Launcher: +1% crit +6 stamina
- Striker's Mark: +22 power +1% hit
- Xbow of ID: +5 strength, +7 agility, +5 stamina, +1% hit
- Dragonbreath: +14 agility,+7 stamina

BUT why o why would you want the best DPS ranged weapon?

Комментарий от Thottbot

crits are NOT useless in pve

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This can be a good alternative to Rhoc.

Comparing the two bows ,adding +7 scope, dps and damage by Rap/agi on a survival hunter:

This:
94-170 +8 dam by agi (18*1 ,
=102-178 every 2,7 ,51,85 dps plus 0,4 crit

Rhok:
96-173 +3,5 by rap = 99,5-175,5 every 2,9 sec 47,41 dps plus 1%crit

Simply Max damage and dps higher,0,6% crit loss.

Комментарий от Thottbot

We currently have 2 of theses weapons in our guild.

Both have gone to Hunters, because of weapon speed normalization on special attacks, this is the best PvE ranged weapon for damage a Hunter can get.

Would you want a hunter to get an ashkandi? or Dark Edge of Insanity? No.

So similarly you would not want a rogue/warrior to get this.

Hunter Loot.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I don't know why ppl want all sorts of epic bows and stuff on their warr/rogue just for the stats over a hunters roll....

Комментарий от Thottbot

ranged weapons=hunter priority
melee weapons=warrior/rogue priority
nobody here cares about your personal experience with a hunter ninja rolling on your dalrend sword so save it

on to huhurans stinger:
dps 46.3
damage 87-163
speed 2.7
+18 agility

rhok'delar
dps 44
damage 89-166
speed 2.9
+17 ranged AP
+1% critical strike

the untrained eye will say :
stinger has 2.3 more dps
the raw damage is 2-3 lower
it is faster then rhok so it must do worse damage with specials
+18 agility versus +17ap +1crit
RHOKDELAR IS A CLEAR WINNER

not

18 agility for a hunter means 36 ranged attack power, 0.33%chance to crit 0,7dodge
for a hunter with Lightning Reflexed(+15%agility) its 41 ranged attack power and 0,39%chance to crit 0,8 dodge

16 ranged attack power is 1 dps, so this bow doesn't just have 2.3 more dps, but it will have 3.4 dps

now what do you prefer, 0,61%crit or 19 RAP+0,7-0.8dodge?
it's the old discussion of the people with 30%crit who hit like a sissy and the people with 24% crit who hit hard but crit alot less
personally i would go with the extra RAP, hits will be harder

SPEED HAS BEEN NORMALISED FOR HUNTERS IN THE 1.10 PATCH, SLOW WEAPONS ARE NO LONGER GODLIKE, fast 2.0 speed weapons are &*!@, yes they are, but 2.7 is not bad at all

warriors and rogues you have so much alternatives
blastershot launcher 6stam+1%crit MC
striker's mark 1%hit+22AP MC
dragonbreath hand cannon 14 agi 7 stam BWL
heartstriker 24ap 9 stam BWL
gurubashi dwarf destroyer 30ap ZG
mandokir's sting 8stam 11agi ZG
toxin injector 28ap 10stam NAXXRAMUS

do you really have to take huhuran's stinger which is actually an upgrade(be it a small 1) instead any of the above? if you say yes ,you are just trying to annoy people on thottbot :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Maverik45 (the one who wrote "WARRIOR BOW" ,and many other stupid comments, earlier)...you're retarded...yes, warriors do use a bit of agility but for hunters agility is EVERYTHING. So this is a hunter bow along with almost all epic bows & guns and such. Thats it, there is no more discusion needed... PS: "Since when do Hunters use Bows" (which was also written by Maverik45)and "WARRIOR BOW" (in which he said, "Hunters should get last priority on all bows because the don't really need them") bring up a question : Since when have you played WoW?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Hunter want bow hunter get bow.

Rouge want dagger rouge get dagger.

THE END

Комментарий от Allakhazam

if you have this drop and you dont have rhok...go do mc some more and come back

Комментарий от Allakhazam

with the new 1.10 normalization i wont even keep rhok in the bank after i get this bow ( if i get it). :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

One of the worst hunter bows in the game, Rhok is better.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

theres a rogue on my server with one of these rofl, funniest thing iv ever seen,then again theres a hunter with ashkandi so whatever, funny though

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Nice bow for leveling in TBC, wonder how it will fair with steady shot.

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giev plx

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High end instances you want high attack power, not burst damage crit.

36 ranged attack power and a ~.33% crit chance (or 41 ranged attack power and ~.40% crit chance if you have lightning reflexes) on Huhuran.

17 attack power, 1% chance to crit on Rhok.

With respect to long-term hunter DPS, (i.e. PVE raid instances) 6 agility = 1% chance to crit = 17 attack power, assuming a base 1500 attack power with a 22.22% chance to crit. (my current stats) Trust me, I've done the math.

So this is in fact around 50% better than the Rhok from a stat point of view, thereby there is little need for blizzard to change the damage range from the Rhok.

Oh and my fury warrior.. he wants striker's mark, stats on that are much better for him than this.

Edited, Wed Apr 12 17:00:47 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Why oh why does it have to be so ugly compared to Ashjre'thul =*(

Комментарий от Allakhazam

someone link a pic asap pls.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

With the Multishot/Aimed Shot normalization coming in 1.10, this is a good hunter weapon.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

rogue item

Комментарий от Allakhazam

people are saying that hunters should give this weapon to rogues best ranged for hunters in the game and rhok is what like 6th ok if rogues get this hunters get Perdition's Blade deal? yes predition might not be good for hunters at all but that is pretty much what the deal is abuot this you want our best wep so y cant we have your's?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

this bow is awesome for rogues :o

PS: thorg u nub !

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Does this drop in AQ? Never seen it before.

Edited, Tue Jan 31 14:34:53 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

if i had the rhok, i'd pass this,
if i didn't have the rhok and a rogue got this over me, the rogue and the guild needs to die (considering i dont have the xbow of smiting)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

lol u cant steal from a rogue they steal from you...

PICKPOCKETS THIS BOW AND HS!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

http://huhuranisserious.ytmnd.com/

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hunters strength is in ranged weapons, best dps bow in game and has agi which i s also hunters main attribute, warriors shouldnt be allowed to roll on this unless not one hunter wants it, i know i want it

Комментарий от Allakhazam

i want that one or Ashjre, which either i will never get ... damn, they are both pretty and deadly xD

Комментарий от Allakhazam

just one of the best bows for hunters who don't have rokh'delar

Комментарий от Allakhazam

if anyone has a pic of the best DPS bow, please tell me and post it in this thread. Also it has to be non-Gm item and on the US server.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

yes, aq, GIVE ME

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I want that dam bow

Комментарий от Allakhazam

for once...a real "Hunter" weapon.

and yes...this is a Hunter first weapon >_>

rogues...go away.
(you too fury/MScrit warriors, mine first)

:D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

You silly hunters make me smile =). Rogue this and rogue that, but in reality you probably have your epic quest bow if you are running AQ, so you can let us rogues have it so we hit you guys slightly harder in pvp :D. And with that let the flames begin!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

ya after patch 1.1 this bow will be good, even better than rhok, so huntas deserve it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

stupid discussion you can even buy a lookalike bow statsvise if your so keen for agility as a rouge..

Комментарий от Allakhazam

sorry but i can't belive people have said Rogue Itejm!- as people say bout us hunters when do u go into Ranged attack rogues, Go get a greenie from the Bank KKthxs

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I got this bow last week, and can already tell a increase in overall dps on raids and pvp...5-31-15 spec

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I just recieved this bow on my last AQ40 run..it's a pure beast. Only two hunters on the raid that went so luckily I had the chance to get it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I promise a rouge will write (in near future) here: "A definitly rouge weapon!"

Комментарий от Allakhazam

...I want one...and a couple of those Qiraji Bindings of Command she drops too...

Go away rogues. Go get a thunderfury :P

Комментарий от Allakhazam

are you kidding me... this is the second best ranged weapon in the game. take a look at this i found from wowwiki.com---> http://www.groovylick.com/wow/28nerf2.gif
so all i gotta say is hunters get priority over anyone.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

wow the woman that is useing it in the picture looks good!

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this is obviously aimed (not literaly :P) at survival spec hunters.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Compare to Huhuran's Stinger..dps is higher..speed matters but after the speed normalisation in the patch it wont effect you that much..about the same i reckon.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

1. As someone said above Rhok'delar is better than this crap.

2. Any rogue who wants this is a noob. Striker's Mark from MC pwns this thing statwise. Comeon now +1% chance to hit with +22 Atk Power.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

dropped last night for the second time in a row for us, i got it :D

yes, im a hunter

Edited, Tue Jun 20 08:46:27 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

i hope all you rogues understand this is for hunters

Комментарий от Allakhazam

all i can saw is....Pwnt.

Just Pwnt

Комментарий от Allakhazam

*Steals bow from a rouge* MY BOW!

This is a nice hunter's bow and i'll roll against and/or kill ANY rouges who dares to roll against me.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This i simply the perfect weapon in endgame instances for hunters. The dps and speed is great and the stats is awesome for mass-agility builds.

You should aim for weapons with high DPS as possible and close to the 2.80 speed. This is the best weapon by "far" atm. Try using quick weapons with the "Badge of the swarmgaurd", and when you reach down to the 20 sec, pop your, "Zandalarian Hero Medallion, Works on multiple targets with MS, it's quite a sight for the eyes and you climb the dpsmeter like a madman.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

this bow is sick nasty awesome for hunters..comes with Agility and nice dps dont put the hunters down lol

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Recently discovered on the taiwanese forums, class changes that state that there may be a ranged normalization for multi and aimed shot. Comparison with old DPS vs new DPS w/ normalization @ 2.8 speed. So yes, this will be the best ranged weapon, DPS wise, after the patch (and if the normalization occurs)

The First column is the rank post-normalization. Second column is the post-norm dps. Third column is pre-norm rank, and the forth is the pre-norm dps.

New DPS Old DPS Name

1 454 3 451 Huhuran's Stinger

2 454 1 473 Ashjre'thul X-bow of Smiting

3 451 6 445 Blessed Qiraji Musket

4 450 2 453 GM Xbow/Gun

5 447 5 447 Dragonbreath HC

6 445 4 448 Rhok'Delar

7 444 9 438 Heartstriker

8 436 13 430 Blastershot

9 436 7 445 Xbow of Imminent Doom

10 436 10 436 Gurubashi DD

11 435 8 443 Polished Ironwood Xbow

12 431 16 424 Mandokir's Sting

13 427 14 427 Silithid Husked Launcher

14 427 15 427 Hoodoo Hunting Bow

15 426 24 416 Striker's Mark

16 424 17 424 Crystal Slugthrower

17 420 23 417 Deep Strike Bow

18 420 18 423 DHC

19 420 28 410 CMR

20 419 22 419 ABB

21 418 27 411 Xorothian Firestick

22 418 19 421 Stoneshatter

23 416 11 432 Bloodseeker

24 415 26 412 Dark Iron Rifle

25 414 20 420 FAR

26 414 12 430 CSX

27 411 29 393 Bow of Taut Sinew

28 408 37 376 GM Bow

29 408 21 420 Blackcrow

30 407 25 416 Heartseeking Xbow

31 402 31 389 Outrider's/Outrunner's

32 397 32 384 Willey's Howitzer

33 397 33 384 Satyr's Bow

34 395 35 376 Riphook

35 392 34 378 Screeching Bow

36 390 36 376 Shell Launcher Shotgun

37 376 38 352 Eaglehorn

38 376 39 343 Hurricane

39 373 30 393 Steelarrow Xbow

40 366 40 330 Megashot Rifle

Edited, Mon Feb 27 04:31:10 2006

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