why do you ppl have do be so dumb? The only reason for having a dagger as a rogue is for ambush and backstab, since both of those attacks are based on base dmg of the weapon (300% for ambush and 150% for backstab) and the glacial dagger has a dmg range up to 100 and the shanker only to 92(i think) you are going to do more dammage with the G dagger, not the shanker. Put your formulas away and actually read what your attacks are based on. Besides that it has alot higher DPS and a better proc and stats...anyone who thinks for a second that the shanker is better this is and idiot

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wait until you got the lobotomizer for the main hand and glacial blade in the offhand

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Well te calculations above were right by the time they were posted so as of today the damage generated by the attack power (in instant attacks like ambush or backstab) will not be multiplied by the speed of the weapon but by the weapon type instead. That is 1.7 for daggers and 2.4 for swords and maces. So in the case of ambush and backstab, both daggers, shanker and G will be multiplied by 1.7 (which suc ks) making G a better dagger compared with shanker for this two attacks, given the better damage range.

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http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b161/xKellyxKellyxPolanco/CmP/gb.jpg

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Giving up Gouge is one of the worst things you could ask for... Say if a frost mage frost novas you, all you do is gouge. Yes, I know you can vanish out of it, but gouge is the first thing you try to pull. Also, if you are hemorrhage, you can Cheapshot>Gouge so they dont blink out of your stun. OK, maybe you dont care about gouge... Your an idiot... Any rogue in the game that has any knowledge of how to play his class knows gouge is a must have, eliminating it is a bad idea! Glacial Blade does more max damage does it not? If your aiming for damage and you dont really care about gouge stunlock etc, then go for glacial cuz it does more damage anyways...

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http://www.lunatica.net/~ak/wow/img/GlacialBlade.jpg

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I am not sure what you mean by dps, but I will assume from the tone of your post, that you mean high damage output per second. For PvP it's not relevant. Calling other people idiots is not justified (just trying to sound polite here).

For PvP, what counts is high BURST damage output. If I can ambush for a ton of hurt following by a backstab for a ton of hurt, how much damage I am doing between those two instances is irrelevant.

Thus a 50-100 (42dps) dagger will be better than a 50-80 (46dps) dagger (example numbers).

Basicly, you don't need dps, you need highest maximum damage. If you think otherwise, then I'll outperform you in an AV battle.

High dps is what you need for PvE, raiding and such

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As of patch 1.8, attack speed has no bearing on your primary special attacks (SS, Backstab, and Ambush). These all now use a "normalized" speed for attack power calculations. Daggers use 1.7, other 1h weapons use 2.4. So, for looking at which weapon will do the most main hand special attack damage, the sole determining factor is the damage range.

Look at the relevant stats:

Glacial
53 - 100 Damage
(42.5 damage per second)

Shanker
51 - 95 Damage
(36.5 damage per second)

So, not only does glacial have better dps it also damages more in ambush/backstab/ss. So yea, everyone above are basically wrong, because of the changes made to damage calculation.

Glacial is the better dagger (now) for pvp and pve.

You can also see the that glacial (electrified) is higher on the list for both BS and Ambush here: http://www.geekboys.org/wow/rogue.php

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This wep is very easy to get now ;)

I have a 55 rogue which I have already got this beauty with, just 3.5k honor points (easy stuff) and 10 AV Marks of Honor, Cheers!

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Fury warrior here, got this and Frostbite, very nice combo for very little time and honor spent, procs quite alot even though I have it equiped in my off hand, and the speed, proc and agility make it rather good for tanking too boot.

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i just got it and its awesome but it doesent proc much

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Well, thats a nice blade.

Edited, Sun Jun 12 14:44:55 2005

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daggers rogues are much better in PVP, and in PVE with a good dagger you can deal out 1000+ crits with backstab, all you do is open with cheapshot backstab sinsiter till 4-5 comobo points kidney shot and you can throw in another 1-2 backstabs.
and with imp back stab you can EASILY have a crit chance over 50

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You get revered with the frostwolf clan in Alterac Valley... It's all explained on the BG mini site on worldofwarcraft.com

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is is hounored for this bad boy or exhaulted?

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It´s not really worth the trouble becoming revered...if u compare it to shanker it maybe deals 20 more damage on backstabs...

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Dream on guys... daggers are crap anyway, Nice to open a fight with BUT then switch to Krol blade Mainhanded, Brutality Blade or Vis'Kag Bloodletter. Makes much more dmg. I get like 500 Dmg each Sinister Strike (with Krol). So i make 1250 dmg each 100 energie (imp sinister strike). To get a Crit Backstab wich is also some where around 1200 dmg when u have really good gear (not needed with Swords to get the dmg). U need 105 energie (45 gouge+60 Backstab). And u cant attack during the 4sec stun of gouge. Wich is like 400 dmg. You make another Backstab after 6 sec when gouge is CDned.... Takes to damn long. Just hit 2 very fast to spam SS and u win PvP and PvE.

In other words: DAGGER ROGUES ARE NERFED... SWITCH TO SWORDS!

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Omg.. Guys... Learn to spell ROGUE! It's not Rouge. Come on. Btw. This dagger probably *!@#s out all other non end game Daggers.

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&*!@ off :))

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Just got Lobo from AV... plus the glacial blade in offhand

my final verdict: these with crippling poison and deadly poison = PvP pwnage

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/DarkShadowz/GlacialBlade.jpg
Great Dagger.

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Actually the speed and damage range are separate. Speed affects dps, not damage. For example:

Shanker = 51-95 damage (73 avg). Divide by its speed (2.00) to get its dps (36.5).

For a MH ambush/backstab weapon, the dps does not matter; only the damage range does. Ambush/BS are both instant strikes, so it doesn't matter how slow of a weapon you use to make them. All that matters is how much damage the weapon does on that first strike. In this case the glacial blade does 3.5 more damage on average, making it a better MH dagger.

The 10 agi is nice, but the shanker's proc is more useful when duelling other rogues (since DOT prevents them from staying stealthed)

Edited, Mon Jun 13 09:38:46 2005

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not hard to get revered and by far better than the shanker when the 1.8 patch comes

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Nice dagger for rouges!

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How does this compare BS and Ambush wise to a shanker.I am well aware that speed factors in somehow, just not sure HOW.

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is this blade a reward for a quest or do u have to buy it?

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this dagger makes the Heartseeker look like some junk warrior dagger.. this is truly a rouge dagger.

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This is *!@#ed up lol.
I SPent 300 godl on my heartseeker which will now be my off-hand... then i will replace it for lobotimzer as main and glacial in off-hand.
What a waiste.

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I dunno to grind the last lvl, or rep :S

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Does anyone got a nice picture on the dagger? :)

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how do i get one?

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Is this dagger available to alliance?

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If you think about it, a slower weapon deals more high end damage, its slower so more force is applied on the swing/thrust.

compared heart with shanker, even though heart does 3 less damage the damage stats in character sheet say otherwise, it was doing 10-15 less overall damage.

same goes for a MS warrior, a slow weapon will deal more high end damage, sure the dps will be different but no one cares about that in main hand, its the damage and speed itself, not the DPS.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

whats it look like? pic anyone?

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Im currently duel weilding this along with the lobotomizer, its a godlike combo for rogues

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dagger rogues arent nice? lol think again.. gutgore ripper and lobotomizer PWN whereever you are...

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I have only played rogue as a Combat rogue and uses KrolBlade and Assassination. This combo rocks like hell! but now im feeling to test StunLock-Rogue. Any tips or so for a newbie :)

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I'll current using barman shanker, and i dont got any problems with the Bleed, ofcouse its annoying when it interrupts the Gouge effect, but otherwise, its a free and easy to get.

Im level 56 rogue, and just got reverd with av :)

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