I'm a shadow priest, and i've accualy had my guild tell me to go ahead and full DPS on trash mobs. I can keep up with the rogues quite well damage wise as long as i have time to drink.

This belt dropped once. Some warlocks said they wanted it, then turned to me and said i should go in for it as well. I didnt, but my point remains.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just to break it to you guys, on our server a priest recently respecced Shadow and tried MC running.
He ended up not pulling aggro, and being #1 on the DPS chart (covered with green +shadowdmg items he had just bought on the AH).
He also used an elixir of shadow power.

Not even the rogues got higher on the list than him.

In other words, Shadow Priests are actually useful in there.

Комментарий от Thottbot

The test 1.9 notes say that the stats for this have been improved.

Does anyone have any idea what they are?

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am a warlock. I run MC a lot. And people saying that this is a warlock only item are STUPID. Fully epic'd out priests with nice +dmg gear can outdamage almost any class in the game in MC. I saw a video of a priest getting 550 mind flay TICKS. That is pretty massive. His guild also killed Ragnaros before the son spawns, and he was 1st in dps. So people commenting, OMFG WARLOCK ITEM with no real MC background, please stop speaking.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Shadow Priests do alright on Rag because its a short Burst DPS type fight. But on the long haul through a raid run the vast majority have trouble sustaining DPS and not running out of mana.

Why do you think Shadow Priests are so rare in uber raiding guilds? Most guilds have zero. It is because a real holy priest will heal better and a real DPS class (like warlock or other) will DPS better. And Shadow Priests are a one trick pony. Can they soulstone someone, hand out healthstones or summon? They are never going to be a valid emergency healer either. If someone is critted and about to die, you will never get out of shadowform and heal them in time to be useful.

Heck, lets even assume a rare guild that puts shadow damage equal for Locks and SPriests. It's STILL a warlock item. Warlock primary stat after damage is Stamina, shadow priest is Intelligence. Warlocks Stamina is a extension of their mana bar, while shadow priests have enough trouble just keeping enough mana to keep dishing DPS. What are they going to do with the stam and health regen? Therefore, a shadow priest would be much better off with Magma Igniting Cord which gives 16 INT and also adds 25 damage AND healing (Healing, you know a priests main role...)

This goes to Locks first, and shadow priests whenever it becomes DE material. Its no different than Hunters wanting something like Perdition or Druids a Talisman of Ephermal Power for PVP. PVP concerns come second to advancing the guild. If you can find a guild that is cool with Shadow Priests taking stuff for selfish (me me) reasons good for you. But the vast majority will tell you to go raid somewhere else or deal with it.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Sorry pendragon, but I am in a guild that has has MC/BWL on farm, and we have 2 shadowpriests who run with us in shadow form. They do good dps. I am a warlock, and I think that shadowpriests and warlocks should have equal rights to this item.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just as a refute to many of the close minded posts I'm reading here, I'd like to describe how we now utilize a shadowpriest, balance druid, and locks/mages in our MC raids.

In all of our raids now we utilize a high dps group in the raid consisting of a shadowpriest in shadowform with vampiric embrace, a balance druid in moonkin form for the +3% crit aura, a couple locks and a mage. The net effect is incredible. The priest does amazing dps and gives the party a constant stream of renewal from using vampiric embrace. This is especially nice for the locks who can lifetap and keep their health topped up from VE. The locks also gain extra shadow damage and all the casters gain from the moonkin aura. I've seen our shadowpriest be #1 of all caster damage for raids, then followed by the locks and mage in our group. Keep in mind that the more damage the priest does, the more we get healed too. It really is a fantastic synergy, and I am more than happy to see our priest get the best damage gear they can. :)

The funnest was when we did onyxia and turned in the head for the buff, then all raided MC using that group configuration. Between the buff and moonkin aura it seemed like a constant stream of crits :)

Комментарий от Thottbot

I'm a Shadow Priest, and having this belt for Shadow Form kicks! the health regen AND +20 sta come in handy when ya cant heal yerself directly

Комментарий от Thottbot

ok, about 90% of the people who commented are retarted. Stop being selfish little %^&*!es and learn how to play the game...i mean wtf, warrior rolling on it, thats so freakin stupid. This has shadow dmg, and who useses shadow dmg, priest and warlocks, wich means, eaither can roll on it, nuff said. so stop &*!@#ing.

Комментарий от Thottbot

when you thinka bout the qwestion "who does this go to first?" you must think, who will use it most? should it go to shadowpriests? who only really should be DPS when they are specced for it AND in PvP? or should it go to warlocks? who can use ALL of the buffs fromt his belt, are a specifically designed DPS class, only do DPS(as opposed to healing i mean), in PvP and PvE.
you be the judge

Комментарий от Thottbot

Thanks for the above comment by a noob. The bonus of +HP regen is signifcant for all locks. A majority of lock pieces have the +hp regen.... why you might ask? HP = Mana esp. with imp lifetap. Plan and simple. If it was +6 mana regen every 5secs, all the healing/casting classes would crap themselves except locks. Also the comment you had about the whole thing of locks doing fire/shadow is BS. Priest do.... hmmmm.. holy and shadow. Oh wait thats 2 classes.

Some locks like myself, maintain a SM/Ruin build which strictly relies on doing heavy shadow dmg and could care less about fire dmg. My regular shadowbolts hit for 1400-1600 and I have crits in excess of 3600. So much for mind flay. Because during my casting down time I have corruption (1200dmg over 18secs), siphon life (about 700dmg over 30sec) , and CoAgony(2000dmg over 24secs with Amp Curse) or CoDoom(3800dmg after 1 min). Oh wait, just yesterday I had a CoDoom hit for 5600+... So please dont tell me that only a priest can benefit from this.

Oh did I mention I can do my dots on multiple targets? so thats x2 x3 or x4

Shadow priests have every right to use dkp on this item after all they do shadow dmg too. I love the shadow preist in my guild esp. on raids. Because take all the numbers I gave you and add 15%... it gets pretty nasty pretty quick. Other locks in the guild meanwhile are casting other buffs like CoS, CoE to improve caster dmg, CoR to increase melee dmg, and CoW to reduce dmg taken to the tanks.

Its unfortunate that people have no understanding of group dynamics and automatically assume that whatever class they play is the ultimate class and that as soon as they step behind their keyboards they are gods and they know everything about every class and can pawn them in a duel only wearing this belt and an Ogre Loin Cloth.... blah blah blah

If a priest wants it.... GRATZ... if a lock wants it GRATZ... please stop bashing other classes if you dont understand the smaller nuances of them. After all this is a game of inches.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am a mage, so I don't need this item, but I've seen quite a few posts that shadow priests are worthless in instances. They are not. In fact there should be one shadow priest in every raid because of their increase shadow damage buff. It increases the damage of warlocks considerably. Though shadow priest get insane aggro for not so insane damage compared to mage/warlock, they can significantly increase the damage of the raid because of the buff, so 1 shadow priest is good. I would let the designated shadow priest roll as well as the warlocks for this item.

Комментарий от Thottbot

As a 60 warlock in a guild that is almost done with downing rag, item utility is of most importance to us. I will start off by stating the obvious, this belt is for shadow priests or warlocks. Any guild that has shadow priests in a MC raid is a smart one as long as they have enough healers to cover. +15% shadow damage and great healing to the group is awesome. I love my shadow priests, and they love me. This belt should be normal bid by both priests and warlocks if you have shadow priests, its only fair. It also comes down to say, that if you dont have shadow priests in your MC raid, then its answer solved on the spot.

Комментарий от Thottbot

First time this dropped our shadow priest got it, second time I got it (Warlock). 'Alternative' spec classes like DPS warriors and Shadow Priests have limited options for gear, as their set pieces arent really useful for their roles, generally speaking. I wouldn't mind passing on Ebony Flame Gloves first time they drop so our Shadow Priest can get them, everyone can get what they want eventually.

Edit: Ebony Flame Gloves did drop the other week, and went to our shadow priest along with a +20 shadow power enchant. I might bid on the next ones :D

Комментарий от Thottbot

Alright here we go, you know the rumor that is going around that rogues don't get a freaking heal in end game instances.... well it's true. Number one reason why they created the Lightwell.

So here is a Good Idea: to always pop one down ahead of battle, if a rogue gets low, he runs out battle, lightwells himself up, uses bandages, potions, whatever, and runs back into the battle to do more DPS.

Here is a Better Idea: Stick a Shadow Priest in a group of 4 rogues, tell her to Vampiric Embrace the target, DPS the snoot out of the boss with Shadow Damage, and viola! You got 4 rogues that can spend more time doing the DPS they need to do, then waste time running out of battle for the Bandages or Lightwells. Also, with good Speccing, you got the Priest getting a 75% threat reduction (25% Shadow Affinity, 20% Silent Resolve, 30% Blessing of Salvation), you got a Priest getting up to 140% Shadow damage increase, you got a Priest as a back up pure-healer incase things get bad (kinda like a Druid changes to bear to hold aggro and saves the day), you got a Priest keeping not only up with the rest of the DPS classes, but also indirectly creating more DPS by healing the rogues who are DPSing with more ease because they know they got an effect on them kinda like Renew (not to mention Power Word: Shield still works in Shadowform)!
Shadow Priest aren't "great" healers, but they keep the DPS alive and going when bosses are blasting AoEs (which really makes the job easier for those stuck-up "Holy" Priests).

In Summary Shadow Priests are:
-Great DPS
-Little Threat Producers
-Indirectly healing those who don't usually get heals (and creating more DPS for the raid)
-Allowing other healers to concentrate on more important heals
-Also a back-up healer out of Shadow Form

Personally I don't see how end-game raiders/guilds don't use Shadow Priests to their full potential.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I prefer this over the Felheart Belt, since, atleast in my opinion the damage is so low on some of the Felheart Peices that I'd take non-set items over them, unless I was very close to getting the 8/8 bonus.

Комментарий от Thottbot

I am a beloved priest in my guild that does raids regularly. They do not love me for my healing, but for my shadow-spec. Vampiric embrace is awsome to those who do not get as much healing attention (as Soultutor so brilliantly explained).
And the shadow weaving talent points max out dmg a warlock can do in raids as well, so why the hell not?
When you got shammies, druids, and pallies all expected to heal as well...you might find yourself with too many healers, so i dont see why priests must go holy spec.
Priests also do pretty nice dps, right up with rogues and such. With 2 DOTs (im speaking as an undead priest atm) + mind flay spam and a mind blast when its safe to do so, they keep up thier end of the bargain.
For all you warlocks who say you can wtfpwn a shadowpriest any day....okay, so you can..ill admit that...but warlocks are natural killers in pvp. But id have to say shdwpriests are some of the fastest killers in the game, and not every time are you warlocks gonna meet 1 on 1 against a shdwpriest anyhow.
Throw a shadowpriest in the back to suport with a vampiric embrace and mind-flay the hell outa the enemy casters. Put em up front against the melee ppls cuz of thier shadowform resistance to melee and fear bombs.
All in all, shadowpriests are good, but they can be beaten...so can every other class...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

It drops from Majordomos cheast.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

this was the first mc epic that my guild ever DE'd... and have done so everytime since...

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Warlock / Shadow Priest.

A lot of guilds like to have a shadow priest in their raids as they increase the other locks DPS by 15%~ each, due to the shadow vulnerability debuff.

The Stamina is more useful for Warlocks in PvE and the health regen is a big plus for locks.

Saying that, this has the 4th highest +damage in the game, on a belt.

And, you are very rarely going to have more than 1 shadow priest, and he has to be willing to compete against all the locks, and use a lot of DKP for it. It is aimed at warlocks, but shadow priests would get a lot of use out of it as well. The Stamina and health regen would be more useful in PvP for a shadowpriest.

I think this is a warlock belt, but I would give Shadow Priests and Warlocks equal priority on it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Shadow damage effects shadow priests as well. Clearly this item is targeted towards warlocks, but if none needed/wanted it, would any shadow priests out there want this item? I'm specc'd holy/disc, so I dont know what stats are important for shadow priests, Im just asking tho..

Комментарий от Allakhazam

got it today, better than dreadmist belt, lolz

Комментарий от Allakhazam

disenchanting this? I can understand a priest not taking this, but your warlocks really need to get a clue :P

Комментарий от Allakhazam

update = +20 stamina instead of 17
checked on test server

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I really didn't even want this belt, but decided to get it. It has dropped for us many times in the past. I am not a shadow spec priest, but we have DE'd this damn thing so many times, so I decided to scoop it up for the minimum DKP bid. I originally equip the Devout Belt, so I only use this belt for PVP or dueling, just for the added mana regen and +dmg to my shadow spells (SW:P and DP).

Комментарий от Allakhazam

As a priest and a warlock, I would say that it could go to both equally. I also think that I would pass on this to a warlock that I knew :P. As we all know demonic armor (Warlocks self buff)Demon armor:
Protects the caster, increasing armor by 570, Shadow resistance by 15 and restores 15 Health every 5 sec. for 30 min.

Given this, With this health/5 second belt and other pieces, It would cause for a nice health regen and Considering locks need Health to convert into mana, I would gladly pass this to a lock. However, I can see a priest rolling on this and it's totally viable.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Most definitely geared toward warlocks. Stamina, no intellect, health regen and +shadow damage, it's almost like the essence of the felheart gear. True a priest could use it, but if your MC raid has any shadow-heavy priests who do damage over healing in your raid then you've got some problems

Комментарий от Allakhazam

if you have enough priest/ healers in your guild, then having one specified shadow priest isn't a bad idea. Shadow weaving stacks with CoS so lowering shadow res by 90% isn't a bad thing. I'm the shadow priest for my guild and i'm still top 5 for healing. You can still heal shadow specced. Great for shadow priest ONLY after all the locks get this or Felheart belt.

Edited, Fri Feb 10 09:18:05 2006

Комментарий от Allakhazam

True a priest could use it, but if your MC raid has any shadow-heavy priests who do damage over healing in your raid then you've got some problems

Obviously not that big of a problem since they downed majordomo.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

the name, the stats...these OOZE of warlock, I would flame everyone to death if they rolled on it besides a warlock

Комментарий от Allakhazam

our guild just downed him for the first time yesterday ,this belt droped and im the only lock so i bidded min dkp on it , i guess ill use as a pvp belt or somthin since i got the felheart belt the day b4 yesterday :P. idk wut do u guys think?. anyways , wut is the chest called that this drops outta ?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

PTR Notes for Patch 1.9:

"Flamewaker Legplates and Sash of Whispered Secrets improved to have the proper stats of an epic item."

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Warlock belt. :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I can't wait to pick this up, it's much better than the felheart belt, especially after patch!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Just dropped for my lock. Was subbing in for friends guild an NO ONE wanted...was gonna D/E, but was a slight improvement on my belt, so I took.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Just got this belt last night, i love it.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Last night our guild got majorhomo down for 2nd time.

The chest dropped this new baby for me.

Plus Core Hound Tooth, Girdle of Prophecy Girdle of Prophecy and ancient petrified leaf for us.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

This item really sucks for an epic from Majordomo. The mana igniting cord is much nicer, and easier to get.

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