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You know just because a set doesn't work for your talent line doesn't mean it completely sucks. just look for a different set theres plenty of them.

And all of you who hate hunters because they say things like "i'm rolling on this its hunter all the way" i'm willing to bet 99% of them are not hunters at all. They are other classes trying to start #$%^ cause people don't like hunters because they don't understand them. These boards are for people to get information. please keep the flaming and BS posts to your favorite guild forum or other wow site..

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I hate it when ppl think they know better ><. U must be such a huge noob :D.

No, seriously, +4 mana each 5 sec is very valuable in instances. The 1 sec longer frostshock is !@#$ing insane, i dont know if you do pvp but each second counts there, its priceless for Elemental shamans.

And third of all, how do u &*!@ing dare to say that 5 extra yards on a lightning bolt sucks? I mean WTF have u ever been to an instance more difficult than UBRS? Dude, i dont know if u even noticed once but ehm... There might be a couple of bosses in endgame instances with AOE range of 40 yards........
In case u still dont get it (very assumable when i look at your comment) it means than you can still range your boss without getting hit.

A good elemental shaman can outdmg a mage, because if you have the right gear you do standard 600-650 dmg each 2 secs, while mages do about 700-750 dmg eaceh 2.5 secs, so its worth to have some shamans to not only heal, but deal damage as well.

To close this topic, shamans are mainly for healing, but as some of the more experianced persons know, in endgame instances, about all skills a class has will be used.

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READ THIS, WHY ELEM PWNS ENHANCE!

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PS. Im enhancement shaman atm with a nice 2h and 25% crit, but i calculated than elemental shaman does way more damage, and if you have the right gear it can be used for healing too. Small calculation: (elem counted with +180 spell dmg,25% crit lightning bolt, 15% on shock)
Lightning bolt: 600x3 + 1200 (crit) x 1= 3k dmg each 2 sec, 750 dps. Shocks: about 700x5, 1x 1500(crit) = 5k dmg in 30 sec, 166 DPS.

Enhancement: (counting a 2h with speed 3.00, wich hits for 250 each, 25% crit, compared to one of the endgame 2h-ers, or even better).

250x4 + 1x 1500 (WF with 1.5x of em crit) = 2500 dmg, each 15 sec ( 3 sec each hit) = 166 DPS.

Meaning that elemental shaman does the same dmg with shocks only, and deals about the double amount of dmg with lightning bolts.

FOR's and AGAINST'S:

Bad thing about elemental: mana dependant, requires actual skill, +/- 15% less chance to parry/dodge (agi for dodge, and parry talent).

Bad thing about Enhance: way lower dmg, + very short range, smaller mana pool, less hp if you really want to do dmg.

Hope to have informed you ppl enough about both topics. Greetz, Okk

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Anyone got a photo of that set?
Please show, coz i wanna see it!

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can someone show picture i want to see the set

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indeed i totaly agree with you. lightningbolt can do a nice ammount of dmg, but even though u cant beat the chain lightning that strikes up to 3 targets and is possible to put it on 1.5sec cast with talent skill on elemental.

31///20///0 = the pvp build of today (not yet tested with the high lvl p1.11 sets) but i ensure you. shamans are great to have and mostly they put a tremor and just beat the foul gnome to where he/she belongs.

/Y FOR THE GLORY OF THE HORDE...

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"while mages do about 700-750 dmg eaceh 2.5 secs"

What mages are you looking at? Personally, I do 800-850 every 2.5, and I'm not even amazingly geared. Some of my friends can do 1000 base every 2.5 secs. Try to get some correct facts before you go saying elemental shamans can out-DPS mages.

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I have a 60 mage and a 60 shaman, both equipt in decent blues. Mage has ~300 spell damage, shaman has ~200 spell damage.

Shaman Lightning bolts do 600-650 dmg with 2 sec cast.

Mage Frost bolts do 720-760 dmg with 2.5 sec cast.

However shaman go oom twice as fast as mages but in pvp that rarely matters.

Fire spec is far better anyway, >1000 dmg on 3 sec cast.

Obviously epic mages delt much more damage than this.

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i want that @#$%ing chest!

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So mages, a purely ranged DPS class, do more damage then a shaman, which happens to be a caster/melee/healing hybrid? NO WAI!

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I have an AQ mage and a pvp shaman, the mages do more damage with +spell dmg gear, but thats only good if you are sitting in an instance pressing the same button over and over again to just dish out damage. In PvP the 2sec cast time on lightning (1.5 on cl) is WAY better, +dmg from shocks at the end of each lightning bolt making shaman do 1200-1500damage in 2 sec,compared to mages doing ~800-1000 in 2.5 sec, in which time they are earthshocked,purged and wtfpwned. a well played elemental shaman always pwns mages in pvp, for raiding tho mages are better at dps.

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"So mages, a purely ranged DPS class, do more damage then a shaman, which happens to be a caster/melee/healing hybrid? NO WAI!"

Think about what you just said.

caster/melee/HEALING

Now lets see....which has more DPS?
A Mage in decent equipment spamming frost bolt for about 800-850, critting for way over double that mind you, or a Shaman, who is healing half the time anyways.

...I'll leave the math up to you.

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for everyonr who dont know this picture with a red set (fire element) using a sulfuras hand of ragnaros is the tier 3 shamans set the ZG one sucks alot i have the entire set

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the only one usfull to me is the trinket

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