ЫЫЫЫ! чё вы понимаете? стоите и орёте!хант рождён для топоров! несмотря на то что вы говорите!а предатель на данный момент лучший топор!и нефига не согласен с тем что там кто то говорит что этот топорик не для ханта! когда научитесь хантом играть то поймёте!

Комментарий от Warez

приоритет на топор у варов и дк, ханты лесом.

Комментарий от 169046

Сролил этот топорик (я дк) , очень и очень офигенный топор ... Для хантов сделан полик и палка ... На топор лесом ..

Комментарий от 339961

За 11кд не упал ниразу, одни дагеры(

Комментарий от 427091

11 кд, и нечего?) Мы уже пол года ползаем за топориком в Наксрамас, а там только щиты сыпятся.(

Комментарий от deidarasempai

ходил вчера с рандомами, в рэйде было 2 вара 3 пала и 3 дк, и отдали единственному ханту который сролил... вот воплей то было=)

Комментарий от 454141

кхм могу сказать только что ханту ап от ловкости 1 к 2,
что касается меня то я мили шам и превосходно бегаю с этой чудной вещью криты с вф до 15к

Комментарий от 509302

У моего ханта этот топорик - и лучше его я в руках у ханта оружея ближнего боя не видел!

Комментарий от 496738

У моего ханта этот топорик - и лучше его я в руках у ханта оружея ближнего боя не видел!

потому что лучше его ниодному ханту недадут по роллу и вообще недадут,разве что если попадется рейд в котором ниодному милишнику ненужен никакой хантер мили вепон(что ООчень маловероятно)

Комментарий от 387700

Ребята, как-бы 226лвл шмот не актуален.

Комментарий от 532023

Топорик просто отличный,но изза того что статы не на "латников"(нету силы допустим)люди просто выбивают то что больше им подходит)

Комментарий от 568777

ходил 2 раза в накс на 25, инет 64 поетому 2 раза с одним и тем же пати (собрались через неделю) не сролил
первый раз я выкинул 87, и потому "саронитовый" выкинул 93 и забрал
второй раз пошёл у ролл был его ваще хант сролил, его рейд канал обсирал.
ладно можно понять саронитовый сролит, но хант то, это уже не в какие рамки нелезет

Комментарий от 536366

Я так думаю назвали его в честь самого Кел'Тузеда который будучи магом Кирин'Тора ушел на службу Королю Мертвых тем самым предав человечество.

Probably going to be on the lookout for this weapon post wotlk. I love the more tailored approach that blizzard likes to oppress on hunters. making polearms the easier obtained 2h. But as an orc hunter, i hate to see axe specialization https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=20574 go to waste. Although run in fear from the warrior duel welding this with titans grip https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=46917 . haha

Комментарий от 214776

Kinda frightening i have this idea of a lvl 80 tauren fury warrior running at me with 2 of these

Комментарий от Gealrage

Yes, you can Dual Wield this, since it's not a "unique" weapon.

Комментарий от 171419

oh gawd... so what if its an axe? kil'jaeden drops a bow, sword, shield, etc, even though he uses none of those. :\

You misunderstand, those are leftovers that were stuck in his skin from previous civilizations' attempts to stop the Burning Legion.

He just forgot to pick them out before he came to Sunwell because he was running late. That traffic in the Nether is terrible at summoning hour, you know!

Комментарий от Valerium

Not this again...

Yes, I'm sure these stats are nice for you hunters, but again hunters are being greedy and seeing only what they want to see.

Notice that 222 dps? notice that min and max damage? yeah that's currently the highest DPS 2H that's been posted. I'm sure there will be others that beat it, no doubt about that, but if you think warriors, paladins and perhaps even death knights will pass on this, because it "benefits you more" you are sadly, sadly mistaken.

Every guild I've been in, hunters get priority on just about every ranged weapon there is, but not once did I see hunters do the same for high DPS melee weapons that they obviously only want for the passive stats. The unwritten rule is pointless.

Me being a warrior I'll have no problem whatsoever taking this over a hunter at all. In fact Im planning to dual wield these. They seem perfect to me for a TG warrior.

Комментарий от 42532

Well actually.. (and this isn't even my point)
Divine Strength 15% more strength.
BoK 10% more stats.
Armageddon gives 101 strength.
With divine strength 116 strength.
with BoK 127 strength.
254 attack power.

Gains from Armageddon:
Awesome looks.
DKP.
1.15% haste.
28 attack power.

(this is my point)
long story short, there isn't a world of difference between these weapons.
I'd rather look hot and deal good dps instead of looking like a retard and deal good dps.

Комментарий от Chaserbl

222.9 damage per second
melee dps weapon
move on haters
hunters *!@s get dual wield with +int on weapon ffs

Комментарий от 126360

There are just some melee weapons that are designed for melee, and some for ranged.
Just like some ranged weapons are designed for melee and some for ranged.
Typical examples are bows or crossbows that have attack power, crit rating or strength, a hunter should always know to pass on these "melee oriented bows"

yes i agree if it has strength it is melee orientated but wtf attack power and crit rating are the 2 stats u need most as a hunter if something ranged has attack power and crit rating then that should go to a hunter, same with this weapon i would like to have it but i wouldnt take it over a melee class that would benefit more from it

Комментарий от Valerium

Definitely agree with some of the things people are saying.

You hunters needs to learn to accept that you can't have everything. If Blizzard truly wanted this to be a hunter item, they would have made it a polearm with low max damage. Since you guys obviously dont give a !@#$ about the damage on the weapon, you are just going for the stats, the same way melees go for ranged weapons for the stats. Would you be fine with us rolling on Envoy of Mortality then? Because I fail to see how that is any different.

Why did hunters always get priority on Thori'dal? I assure you those stats make it the best Rogue/Warrior ranged weapon as well, its because you hunters want it for the max damage and DPS on it. It benefits you more.

Why did rogues get priority on Warglaives? The main hand amazing for warriors too, but the offhand is completely !@#$, so it benefits the rogues more, for the set bonus they'd get.

This weapon is no different. You guys would only get the stats from it, and completely waste the dps and max damage on this thing. We melees, however, who swing this thing every raid use everything on here.

I guess the simply fix would be to change it to strength instead, but I'm sure the reason they did this is so they wouldnt have to make another "hunter weapon" from Kel'Thuzad. Blizzard seems to want to make most items highly disirable for a lot of different classes, and this is what you get.

Oh, and one last thing, for those people that were saying that we TG warriors should be going for +hit weapons instead, with the recent change to Titans Grip, we wont need that much hit anymore. I'm confident we can get yellow hit capped without any +hit weapons, so max damage all the way!

Комментарий от coredumperror

Could a moderator please delete all these "OMG HUNTAR WEAPON" posts? Wowhead is not the place for such discussion.

Комментарий от Hidden

@Naruaeon: Too bad I'm in a raiding guild that for some occasion doesn't roll on raid items. Anyway I don't know why you're defending the poster I replied to, either he has no clue what he's talking about or he intentionally lies which would only make sense if he's a Hunter who for some reason thinks this belongs to him first.

Edit: Btw, I love how half of the posts containing valid arguments are getting downrated by some people just because they're proven wrong.

Комментарий от 245082

BESTEST 2 HANDED AXE EVER AND UF U ARE FURY AND THAT DROP AND U GET The Jawbone DUDE ITS OVER, U THE BEST

Комментарий от onnut

it looks like a great hunter weapon but i am probably an unfair because i am a hunter and i would ninja it =D

Комментарий от 215134

I'd prefer 3.8 / 3.9 speed two handed axe, as a shaman. Whit stormstrike and some haste (Flurry, wf totem etc..) would be cool to have around 3 sec speed whit +1200 top end damage. (Owner of Dragonspine trophy!). Maybe this weapon is more like Titan's Grip weapon because it is fast. .. also i have noticed that almost all end-boss weapons are fast 2h's. According https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=34247 &https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30902.. also those new 80 level epic's are pretty fast.

Комментарий от 240186

ya know, this whole 'hunter weapon' ordeal would be easily solved if they'd just put some STR on the item for stats instead of AGI(or even a combo of both) then if you hear 'hunter weapon' you could laugh them off the interweb.

That said i'm a hunter, and even though the stats on this are great for a hunter, the dps and usefulness to a 2h melee class(war/dk/ret paly) overshadows the stat usefulness for us 10fold. Not to mention it's a marginal stat upgrade over some polearms found on earlier naxx10/kalycgos.

Комментарий от Shayser

... IMO all ranged weap should go to hunters even on tanking guns, unless the hunter already has a very good ranged weapon

>_>

Hunter tanking is fun and all. But there's a time and a place to pretend you're the captain of the failboat, and a time to be serious.

Комментарий от 255469

I can't wait, it's going to be fun watching death knights, hunters, warriors, shamans, and ret paladins all roll on that piece of glory.

Oh wait, I'm a death knight... darn it.

Комментарий от gr33nzo

I know that there is a lot of hate for hunters needing on weapons such as these, however the hard fact is that this is the best weapon a hunter can have in the game.

Now having said that I would never need on it over a melee class such as a warrior or paly (as a matter of fact it dropped for our guild last reset and all 3 hunters were more than happy to pass on this for our dps warrior)...

However I will still be using my dkp to get this once our melees have this. I know the actual dps range on this weapon is wasted on us but the stats on this bad boy are too good to ignore.

Комментарий от 69024

"But as an orc hunter, i hate to see axe specialization go to waste"

You'd take this over a 2-H melee class for +5 expertise?
I hope you know that expertise does not apply to ranged attacks.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Expertise

Комментарий от 249835

Any warrior who actually gets to dual wield this is just awesome. and those who do, i hope your not in cyclone i kinda like winning every once and a while :-P

Комментарий от 260385

The weapon with most dps in-game (at the moment).

Комментарий от 264371

Honestly, this thing is brutal.

Fantastic graphical design coupled with a menacing name.

Комментарий от 263243

interestingly enough, it's not unique. warriors can dual wield this baby.

Комментарий от Spl4sh3r

If you use the new Journey's End in patch 3.0.8 you will gain:

+21 Agility
-7 Stamina
-30 Critical Strike Rating
+18 Haste Rating
+44 Attack Power

Which should make this the new stat stick over Betrayer of Humanity. Atleast this will be the case for Survival Hunters who already got high Critical Strike Chance.

Комментарий от RazorAce

Well in-fact would be fair for an enhance shaman to roll for it/spend dkp against a hunter.
Obviously raiding Enhance shamans (how ever few) use it as their main dps as compared to hunters who use melee only occasionally/in PvP (slightly less overall).

Комментарий от Asmodoues

The discussion of which class should get this weapon reminds me of Thottbot, and that makes me sad.

It's a nice axe. A bunch of people are going to want it, and no doubt have a system in place to determine who gets it.
What more discussion is needed?

Комментарий от 250375

one serious guild give that to retadin or war fury.
hunter have other good weapon FOR GOOD STATS.

Комментарий от 278956

There is a strange graphical bug with the weapon at the moment. The glow on the axe actually goes through your character's body. Kinda annoying to have a big glowy circle in the middle of her chest. It moves around when you change camera angle.
Otherwise, awesome axe!

Guildies see it too.

Комментарий от Tsukigato

I'd say you're correct, partially. On one hand, at certain gear levels (lower end) if manage to grab one of these the hit or expertise of those two items would be more beneficial (if you don't get an axe spec racial), since you don't have the gear to switch in pieces with less avoidance/defense to make up for it and almost every gem will no likely be straight defense.

However, after the patch (due to the defense runeforge if you wish to use it) or after a certain gear level, that won't be the case, and you'll be able to fit more pieces into your gear without gimping yourself. Once they became less of an issue, I'd have to say that after using Death's Bite and Betrayer for tanking, that the threat difference is not 'slight' in the least.

(Sorry in advance for being a little long-winded or scatter-brained, probably too late for these kinds of posts)

Комментарий от 286642

Sorry i am new to WoW, but does the count mean how many there are in total meaning there is a limited amount? and also is the % how often it drops, or will it always drop when Thaddius is killed?

Комментарий от Qlix

This is the best weapon available for ANY dps class capable of using 2-Handers if hit capped.

Black Ice is also a nice option. I personally will be going for the polearm instead leaving this for the pallies, warriors, and DK's

Комментарий от sohvan

Death's Bite is inferior to Betrayer of Humanity in every way for tanking. Betrayer offers higher stamina, higher avoidance, higher mitigation through a small amount of extra armor as well as higher threat generation. Strength is good as a stat for both threat generation and a small amount of avoidance, but agility is a much better stat for avoidance. The much higher damage on Betrayer makes it the clear choice for the best threat generation as well.

Before diminishing returns, assuming Blessing of Kings, mitigation wise
the 66 agility on Betrayer of Humanity will give:
0.99% dodge
145 armor

the 101 strength on Death's Bite will give:
0.56% parry

I don't know where this myth formed that strength is better than agility for mitigation, but it is purely wrong. Death's Bite offers inferior mitigation at the cost of lower threat generation and lower stamina. There is no advantage to using Death's Bite.

The two best tanking weapons for death knights currently are Inevitable Defeat and Betrayer of Humanity. The first offers the best mitigation, while the second offers better threat generation. Depending on the situation either can be considered the best tanking weapon. Death's Bite on the other hand isn't even in the competition.

Комментарий от nibbs

I have seen top guilds handing this out to Hunters over TG Warriors,DK's,Retris!

There reason that it has AP and there are other weapons with Strength!

Complete joke if you ask me

Best 2h in Game should go to a melee class

Blizz should start adding Strength to high dps ranged weapons and watch the Hunters cry if it gets given to a melee

HELP HUNTERS ARE DOWN GRADING THIS COMMENT

Комментарий от 88625

After doing much research around the current top Items available for the hunter, putting them together with Black Ice or Betrayer of Humanity just so I can have my hit cap, Black Ice came out on top because of Haste Rating (summed from all the items). The AP and Crit Rating you can get with both weapons, combined with the rest of the items, comes out very very similar in the end.

So I'd assume that Black Ice would be more favored by Marksmanship and Survival Hunters (because of the masses of hit on it, you can get other stuff with haste instead of hit).

And to be honest. Yes, this should go to a melee if you ask ME.

Комментарий от xavierjn

I look at it this way:
I'm on my hunter and an awesome bow drops...sweet! I get it even though it's an upgrade for the rogue in my party...why?..because it's my 'main' weapon.

I kind of feel the same way about melee weapons. If I'm on my hunter and this drops, I'm not taking it over any melee class who needs it....why?...because it's their 'main' weapon. I can get by with what I have in my melee slots for the time being, because I have the great bow that dropped earlier.

Does that make sense? It was all hypothetical, of course, but I think it's an opinion shared by a lot of fellow hunters.

Комментарий от 236106

currently the best 2H melee dps in the game. handsdown

Комментарий от Qeisander

This is still nice for a hunter. However, if said hunter has a chance at Black Ice, they should probably be going for that instead. My guild doesn't use dkp, and as a hunter I would roll on it. However, I'd still pass for our ret paladins/death knights.

Screw the warrior though, never liked that guy..

Комментарий от Lahtaaja

i mean like why the hell ppl say hunters have priority on this weapon ITS THE most Godly melee dps weapon of all i mean like look at the top DMG ... iff i would say this is one of the best weapons for DK cause all DK skills are based on weapon Dmg and this baby has 910 and the stats are all so awesome . DKs can happily use this weapon but like MS warriors they prefer slower weapon but Dps warrs are Fury thease days. DKs skills are instant attack(well not Rune strike ... ) so thats why speed doesn't matter to DKs but well its a great weapon for Fury wars and Ret paladins. SO If a hunter is reading this think few minutes if there would be a Bow or Gun whit agi/sta/ap/crit and you would be like OMG I WANT think 10 second that what would u think if some rogue/warrs would take it away from you .

Комментарий от 302300

Considering that you get this weapon after killing the lich king then being worried about being controlled by the lich king doesn't make sense anymore.

Комментарий от 204946

Maybe this axe is called "Betrayer of Humanity", 'cause it's forged by dwarves.

Комментарий от 83168

As a Death Knght tank, I would rather let everyone else have their chances at this before I grab this one, mainly due to the high DPS on it.

Warriors, Ret Paladins, and even the Hunters can make a much better use of the raw DPS and the stats on the weapon than some silly Death Knight who wants to upgrade from her Titansteel Destroyer. I was like Skwidspawn at one time -- I wanted Death's Bite as well for my tanking weapon. But after seein' Inevitable Defeat for the first time on another DK, I made up my mind on what I'm aimin' for: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40406

Комментарий от 272196

Weapon damage is WASTED on a hunter.

Комментарий от Ryuji2

Why were everyone's comments below Morbow's downrated? They're all true. This is THE best melee weapon in-game at the moment. It's only natural that melee dps should get it before anyone else. Hunters shouldn't take priority on getting this item before a melee dps on any given day. Now if all the other melee dps had it then fine, go ahead and roll for it. But honestly, melee dps would see the biggest change in their dps and contribute much more to the raid than a Hunter would in getting this.

Just my two cents...

Edit: ...Now his comment's removed. Just take this info from my post: melee dps should take higher priority than hunters for this weapon...biggest dps change and better contributions to the raid.

Комментарий от 130864

Looking at some of the posts here, I can't help but find the name of the axe amusing. Betrayer of Humanity leads to hunters being flagged Betrayer of the Raid?

I see what you did there, Bliz.

Комментарий от 152566

i just cant wait for a pic with a shammy useing this and have a windfury proc rape an ally in one shot

Комментарий от 315419

This weapon is no longer a best in slot choice for a hunter and should never go to one post 3.08. the Journey's End is the best 2h wep if hit is no longer needed, and if it is both the black ice and double sinister's revenge are better. Honestly, this shouldn't even be an option for a hunter anymore as they have many other choices that are actually better and as mentioned its the only 222 dps wepon and best in slot for multiple classes (dk/pal/war)

However, should never really be an issue in any serious raiding guild.

Комментарий от 312938

i dosent relly matter who drops it....if you are a warrior and you have 2 of thm on fury you dont need anything else....and axes look cool on warrs and DK....
+its one hell of an axe

Комментарий от 23194

I disagree. I think swords look way better taking to account hit animations, parries and just as well the looks of the items. I'd say a jagged blade looks more threatening then a feathered axe, and I've always thought of axes as a lumberjack's tool :P

Комментарий от Stickcorporation

As a paladin I'd say it's good for a hunter aswell. However, as Kel'Thuzad drops Journey's End https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40388 in 25 man, I'd say they should rather go for that staff. More agility, more AP more haste a little less critical strike raiting.

Anyway I don't know why it says Increases attack power by 2353 in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms only. It doesn't say so in-game itself. I don't know if it's because it's to be changed, but it's definatly not a bad staff for a hunter in my opinion.

Комментарий от gggn4

Imagine yourself a warrior duel wilding with this sonofa!@#$%

Комментарий от 161585

Ever think Blizz just laughs about hunter stat (melee) weapons? I mean I can imagine them going
Designer A: "Hey you shouldn't put good hunter stats on that, put some strenght or something on it too so the noobs know they should keep their hands off it."
Designer B: "Yeah but the GMbots I designed have reported that hunters have recently become less hated than ret pallys and noob DKs, we can't have that! Need them to start rolling on melee weapons again."
Designer A:"Good point, we should also add a fist weapon and maybe an iffy polearm too, just to throw em off gaurd. "
Designer B: "Exactly, we need to get this back to the point where rogues can roll on legendary bows when hunters are in raids again, you know, the way it ought to be."
Designer A: "Ahhh the good 'ol days. I love these melee saints, they always love to bash hunters, we barely have to encourage them anymore. Even druids have the right too now! Hunters will finally all become tanks using spirit the way the class was suppose to be played."
Designer B: "I know right? Agility? Pffft too many melee classes need that, and rogues are confined on good ranged weapons, they're only 'very' cheap in pvp, as appose to 'extremely', bows and guns ought to fix that."

Комментарий от 291208

Here are the best 2handers in the game (by raw dps) and some info about them:

Zone..........Name............................Mob.........................Type............iLVL...........DPS
Naxx 25.....Betrayer of Humanity......Kel'Thuzad................Axe.............226............1,441.89
Naxx 25.....The Jawbone..................Maexxna..................Mace...........213............1,416.52
Naxx 25.....Cryptfiend's Bite.............Anub'Rekhan.............Polearm.......213...........1,408.19
Naxx 10.....Death's Bite...................Kel'Thuzad................Axe.............213............1,401.92
Naxx 25.....Inevitable Defeat.............Zone Drop.................Mace...........213............1,401.87

As you can see, BoH tops the chart. Time to get it in gear (pun intended) and head to naxx 25!

(stats courtesy of maxdps.com)

Комментарий от 144662

After reading a lot of nonsense in the comments for this item, I figured I would sum up the comments for fellow readers here-on after with what I found most beneficial (in no particular order of importance):

This and Inevitable Defeat from Naxx (25) are considered the best Death Knight tanking weapons in the game at the moment (patch 3.0.8). Inevitable Defeat is the winner in overall mitigation, this is better for threat. The post stating this was highly rated and so I assumed it to be accurate and yes, Death's Bite from Naxx (10) was considered.
This weapon has no Strength (which is usually a stat added to specify that a weapon was intended for a melee DPS class) and has raw attack power instead making this weapon perfectly viable for a hunter. However, seeing as how this weapon has the highest DPS for any melee class, if you're attempting to maximize the raid's DPS as opposed to maximizing a single person's, then priority for this weapon should go to melee classes before hunters.
At the time of this post, the next content patch is months away. That being said, people who are even looking at this weapon for informative reasons rather than just to drool shouldn't be worried because it is those same people who actually are capable of downing Kel'Thuzad and will probably see this weapon drop a lot (seeing as there is little else in terms of end game content to explore until the next patch).

To summarize the nonsense for those interested:

Huntard weapon.
NOU!
(Non-interesting story about how this was given to a hunter over a warrior or how someone finally got it after a million runs)

Комментарий от 312006

Honestly. My main is a Resto druid, my old raider in BC was a hunter. When i was running naxx on my hunter we downed Kel on heroic and this dropped. In my personnal opinion Black Ice is a bit better than this. Just because of the raw agility on it.

Btw Journey's End imo is also better than this.

Комментарий от Insno

OH. MY. GOD.

Комментарий от 323299

Just dropped first time for our guild in 20 runs and a hunter won the roll. A hunter. I asked why he rolled for a mele weapon and he said 'it had the stats i wanted.' The funny thing is, my scrub guild thought that was normal.

Комментарий от 289655

if you really wanna see insane FURY warrior got to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esdWz9q0BMM , its really cool i thought about going to respec :)

Комментарий от 307435

Vegeta! What does the scouter say about its power level? It's over nine hundreeeeed!

Комментарий от 320441

i play a hunter and im gonna be the realistic one here. YES this is a great weapon for a hunter, but to be honest we're NOT hand to hand we're ranged. so if you're going into naxx ya need to be more worried bout someone ninjaing the arrowsong before this. if it was my call and there was a fury warrior in group this would be going to them first. so to all the hunters out there whining that this is a "hunter weapon" then learn your role and stay ranged (what are ya gonna do anyway equip it then run head first into a fight with it? melee is our LAST resort) and stop being the stereotypical "greed before need" and let the dps'es have it.

Комментарий от 326920

The best Warrior axe in-game!

Комментарий от Feato

lol read the last comment before me and noticed he was right about the dps on wands was higher(alot even)

https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=39712

It is perhaps normal but it does seems odd a pure stats item deals more dps than this axe who is clearly a melee damage weapon in first place, it is nice for hunters but the melee dpser will get more use of it.
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Dumac, wands have always been high dps weapons simply because the onlything affecting them is agility for crit (not even sure if that applies in wotlk) and thus their damage will be virtually unaltered (with the regular migitations applied ofc).

It is nice though to have the possibility to wand when you're a caster and oom. Let's you regen some mana without flat dps.

The axe is pure sex (see im on topic!)

Комментарий от danroe

It would be comparable to giving Thori'dal to a rogue over a hunter.

Do you know, this actually happened?

Комментарий от 321158

Would this be a good axe for a dwarf hunter to use? I looked threw the pictures on this page and it didnt show a dwarf but it did show a gnome and gnomes are even shorter than dwarfs like me are so dwarfs should be able to use this axe right? I really think it looks pretty cool and seems like if I had it hord people would stop killing me so often and leave me alone wile I do my quests.

Комментарий от 283705

It would be comparable to giving Thori'dal to a rogue over a hunter.

Wait a second...

Комментарий от 331998

The main distinguishing stat on this weapon is its DPS, which is nearly 20 higher than the DPS on any other weapon in the game at the moment. The simple fact that hunters will not benefit from this exceptional DPS in any way whatsoever should keep this axe out of their hands while plate DPS still need it. In other words, for the stats that hunters find most significant on a melee weapon (Agi, AP, crit, etc.) there are other weapons out there that are comparable--even better; for the stats that melee DPS classes find most significant on a melee weapon (pure DPS) nothing else even comes close.

So the argument really comes down to which is more important to your raid, one of your hunters getting an extra 10-or-so AP and some crit (hypothetical) or one of your melee DPS increasing their overall damage output by a solid 20+ DPS.

Still, I'm puzzled why Blizzard would include so much agility on the best 2h melee weapon in game. Lower the overall DPS a bit and slap on some strength IMO. It's like they're asking for an idiot war.

Комментарий от Wisens

Frostmourne won´t be a drop from Arthas anyway since no player would be able to pick it up without loosing himself to the Lich King like Arthas did.

The only problem with that statement is that Arthas and the Lich King/Ner'zhul are now the same being. If you kill "it" you get rid of the Lich King. Story elements could make the Frostmourne have to be destroyed if it was part of the Lich King soul (or something like that). I would much rather it be purified by some quest chain much like the Corrupted Ashbringer was thought to be for some time. I still long for the day to see an Ashbringer on the back of some ret paladin.

On the flip side, seeing a war DW Ashbringer/Frostmourne would tickle me in some rather interesting spots.

Комментарий от Grksinner

For Dk tanks the best weapon hands down is https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40406 , for mele and mele only is https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40384
and for all hunters the best in slot is eather black ice or the staff from kel so hop of this idea that this is a huntard weapon and play ur class right with out screwing someone who needs and deserves this .

Комментарий от 276971

Why is EVERYTHING getting downrated these days?...

Комментарий от 153736

Still good but not quite as good for fury warriors pre3.1 due to lack of STR (Improved Berserker stance changed to increase STR to 20% instead of increasing AP by 10%). Still golden to arms warriors.

Комментарий от TheTempest

"Vegeta what does your scouter say about its Damage?"

"IT'S OVER NINE HUNDRED!"

"WHAT? NINE HUNDRED!"

Комментарий от 265206

This got given to a hunter ...

Yes a good hunter weapon ...
but not when 5 MELEE dps want it.

Комментарий от Graviteh

This item is 100% BoH

Get one person with this and you have the power equivalent to one person wielding a Betrayer.

Комментарий от 237790

As of 3.1.1, this is 2nd or 3rd strongest weapon, damage-wise, in-game

Комментарий от 297026

In original naxx kt would drop Might of Menethil, ~~which was prolly Arthas' hammer before he picked up Frostmourne~~. This I think is supposed to be the replacement for that, hence the name, Arthas, the Betrayer of Humanity. Could also be a reference to how Kel Thuzad himslef betrayed humanity and became a lich. Might of Menethil's model was given to the 2h mace Demise.

Edit- I was wrong :P Light's Vengence is Arthas' hammer before he got Frostmourne.

Комментарий от Aislingi

Meh, I'm a ret paladin and I still pass this for warriors and DK's. I like the strength (and appearance) of Armageddon more.

Комментарий от 192362

you know its a shame that Enhance shamans are forced to dw if they ever want to dps i would love to see a windfury proc on this baby best part is its itemized perfectly with agil giving 66 more attack pwr to a shaman than to a warr totaling 292 attack pwr to a shaman (and hunters sadly). anyways the attack pwr makes this weapon a useful drop if there is no warr/deathknight/ret paladin which is rare. strength instead of attack power would take this over the edge and make it godly

Комментарий от Vonriel

Speaking as a ret pally who got this tonight, Armageddon is inferior to this in almost every way. The topend on this is nearly 80 more than the topend of the sword, meaning almost everything you do with this will do more damage than the sword will. The speeds are the same, the crit on this is much higher, not to mention the extra percent you'll get from all that agility. The haste loss is way more than made up for by the much better crit this weapon brings. The only thing the sword wins out over the axe in is attack power, because ret pallies will get 15% (25% with kings) extra strength, meaning the sword gives roughly 24 more attack power than this axe does.

However, if you're a ret paladin who already has the sword, and there's a melee in the raid still using a Titansteel Destroyer (or anything worse, such as The Tuning Fork of Justice) and this drops, I'd say you'd be correct in passing on this axe so they can get it, as it would be a bigger dps boost for them than it would be for you.

Комментарий от 292424

Seeing as people are talking about Frostmourne here is a link to check out its stats

http://www.boehse-elfz.at/Bilder/frostmourne.jpg

Комментарий от 378844

Is massacre or beserking better on this for a ret pally?

Комментарий от 395490

/sigh. Does no one pay atention to lore anymore. When Arthas became the lich king, the spirit of Ner'zhul entered him and completely fused with him. Therefore Arthas and the being known as Ner'zhul ceased to seperately exist. If you kill one the other dies as well. When you kill the lich king in Icecrown, then the being known as Ner'zhul will cease to exist at the same time that Arthas ceases to exist. It doesnt matter what contained the spirit of Ner'zhul since his spirit was physically moved from what contained it to Arthas where the two spirits merged. No word either way on if i think that Frostmourne will be a drop or not, since idiots downrate anything that they disagree with instead of anything that provides false information, but it wouldnt allow Ner'zhul to posses you as was the case with Arthas. If you take the information in this post though i dont think blizzard will be able to resist making it a drop if they can find anyway to justify it. Im sure this post is going to get downrated by aforementioned idiots, so anyone who does manage to read this you can get the referance points from the piece that plays during the instalation of WotLK from the disc or downloaded file, and at the end of WC3: The Frozen Throne

*When the Lich King is killed, the power of Frostmourne would decrease. If it is a drop, it will scale down in power due to Ner'zhul's death. It will simply be an extremely powerful rune-blade.

*About the comment involving the book Arthas: Rise of the Lich King. It is an official product, but it is not written by the man who writes the lore for WoW in Blizzard. Therefore there will be some slight inconsistancies between the info in the book and the official lore. If you wish to play through the first campaign in WC3: Reign of Chaos you will see that after Arthas uses the powers of Frostmourne to kill Mal'Ganis, his will is overtaken by Ner'zhul. If you take this fact into account then its clear that Arthas wouldnt destroy Ner'zhul since in essence Ner'zhul would be destroying himself. Quoting from the installer clip "Entering Icecrown Citadel, Arthas merged with the Lich King, their spirits and powers becoming one. The new Lich King ascended the Frozen Throne." Simplifying they became the same being completely. But thank you for bringing up that point Michaelbo121

*WotLK. Age of axes. Shadowmourne is confirmed as the legendary drop from icecrown. End the arguement qqs. we all know blizzard doesnt even follow their own lore lol

*The biggest problem to looting off Frostmourne as an actuall drop is that idiots like Naecken that dont know the lore behind things would complain about them. As well as arguements about factions on whether the allys and their human sword and mace bonuses or the orcs should get the axe bonus for the 2h BiS. It saved them time to flip a coin on whether it would be an axe or a sword and then there all going to go hit up their friends at square to get the drugs they were on when they made FF12 to write a backstory to the axe that makes no sense. Then in the end Ensidia laughs at the arguements and their mages put this in the do not trade window just to laugh at people. The End

*There is also more information on the theory of Frostmourne "corupting" you or "taking your soul" on the ptr quest page for Shadowmourne. Brief explanation on the lore behind that since people still dont seem to understand it. https://www.wowhead.com/cata/quest=24549

Комментарий от 395490

Hunts take lowest priority to recieving a melee weapon. If your master looter would give this to you just for the sake of a wing clip which any mele weapon can do, then your ML fails at existance. Melee weapons from raids go to the melee classes since the melee classes get the most benefit from a melee weapon. Have i emphasised melee about this item enough? Get a pvp weapon for pvp. Not too hard anymore with WG being a total honor farm...

Stathisdjs.... your one of the huntards that thinks that any weapon that you can equip was made for you. Warriors used this as the BiS because A. it was the best base damage in the game when it first came out, and B. because weapons that are itemized with agi and stam with AP and other stats have more points towards dps levels than a weapon with str in 99% of the cases. Basic example:

str sword. 100 str and 100 stam with 50 hit and 50 crit rating. nice isnt it

agi sword. 80 agi and 100 stam with 50 hit, 50 crit, and 180 ap. add up the points that are alogated towards dps compared to the str weapon. agi provides crit on top of the rest of the stats therefore giving this item a larger amount of itemization towards dps.

and once again, the way that melee works. as a plate dps in 99.9% of the cases, youll want weapons that hit harder. a skill that does 125% weapon damage will do more damage with a harder hiting weapon since the swing speed of your weapons doesnt affect cool downs. therefore when you hit 10 times in the same amount of time with the skill that does 125% weapon damage, youll do more damage if your weapon hits for 200 with a 4.0 speed, than if your weapon hits for 100 with a 2.0 speed. the reason that melee weapons go to melee is that while your hunter may get good stats off this weapon, the melee will see a much larger improvement on their dps when you give them a weapon that hits harder than if we give it to you who gains 20 ap and another .2% crit. that way well down that boss easier next week and you whinny hunters can get it that week

Комментарий от 266285

The TPS on this weapon is AMAZING for tanking Death Knights.

This and https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40406 are arguably the 2 best tanking weapons for Death Knights at the moment.

I have both, currently using https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=40406 as an avoidance weapon, and BoH as a TPS weapon.

Also the best 2H DPS weapon for any melee DPS class before Ulduar hits.

Good luck in getting yours.

Edit: Downranking correct info?...

Maybe we're downranking because just about everything in that post was already said in a post that isn't so far away from yours, not to mention with far more detail as to how and why?

This isn't thottbot. Redundant comments are down-ranked and removed.

Комментарий от 266285

i want it and i want it now, and i agree it should go to melee dps for first pickings, especially for my dk:) it is the best melee weapon in game absolutley

More like WAS the best melee weapon in the game.

Things such as Worldcarver and Voldrethar have come to succeed this, with the addition of Ulduar.

Комментарий от 255124

My main is a hunter, and tonight I intervened to stop the other hunter in our raid outbidding two DKs on this. That then left her with enough dkp to win the bidding for her t7.5 helm, so it turned out well for all of them.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who's chipped in to this discussion, since reading the comments here, even if they're sometimes a bit fractious, was what made me confident enough to insist that it should be left to the DKs.

Комментарий от 211544

This weapon has been ninja'd an unimagionable amount of times.... It's like the weapon ninja's you, instead you it!

Комментарий от 428340

i got this dual weild on my warrior

Комментарий от 364654

nahhh blizzard made warglaive for rogue and warrior they have to do something special for paladin

Комментарий от 336144

This is a awsome weapon as many people have said, i find it good for both tanking and DPS (simple matter of changing runes on it) and i was lucky enough to get it on my first 25man naxx against 4 Dks 3 paladin and 2 warriors.

Комментарий от 404088

the BEST pre-Ulduar Weapon of Hunters!

Комментарий от 337604

Lesetmoe gives huntards a bad name....

Комментарий от 446288

This dropped for me a few days ago. After six months of raiding and no new weapon upgrades this was a godsend. This was also one of the more interesting KT fights I experienced. We lost almost all the melee dps to a frost tomb early on, so I was the only one left. Several ranged people died from MCs and a few of the newest raiders got killed by the red rings of death. When the adds came we were already at half strength. Then, due to a line of sight issue, our tank died. A backup tank ran in, but the adds were running around, slicing people's heads off! Someone threw on a shield and emergency tanked them. Heroism was popped and by this time we were dropping like flies. With 5% left on KT our tanks died and all that was left was about 10 dps and a few healers. We DPSed like we had never DPSed before. I watched his health tick away....ever so slowly as we dropped one by one. Then suddenly KT turned his attention to me! He only had about 50,000 health left and I hit him with as many executes as I could. All at once I died and so did he. Only three people were left standing. Hah, a one shot on Kel, but barely! Once I was rezzed I quickly ran over to his corpse. And there it was, Betrayer of Humanity. The first time it had dropped for our raid group, nay, our entire guild it seems. And it went to me. So long Claymore of the Prophet! Now I'm rocking with this and Inevitable Defeat.

Good times.

Комментарий от 370864

It's over nine hundred!

Комментарий от darkwiz787

but I think it's an opinion shared by a lot of fellow hunters.

It's a shame must Hunters are Huntards and would yell "HUNTER WEAPON" right before ninjing it :-/

Комментарий от 400690

this weapon is unlike many other in WotLK-
1. hunters are gonna roll on this
2. dk tanks wont't use cuz it doesnt give parry

Комментарий от agentex50

Sorry to crash your party hunters, but if you roll on this over a melee class don't count on them sparing Black Ice or Envoy of Mortality for you. My only 80 is a hunter and i wouldn't dare roll on this. Unless a particular warrior won Envoy over you don't get us an even worse reputation. We have enough haters as it is due to the majoirty of us tending to roll on everything we can use. Don't make it worse :)

P.S.- I can understand if i get downrated but i'm just saying that i would be horrified if raid lead were to give Envoy to a warrior over me.

Комментарий от 431235

I'm thinking if a tank has 2 of these.... hmm....

Комментарий от Seraphine

everyone saying this is not a hunter weapon go hide under a rock or something this and journey's end has almost the same stats and the same DPS, say paladins warriors death knights cant use staffs but tbh saying this isnt a hunter weapon cause its high dps is just stupid so to say, i'd roll on this any given day as long as the staff dosent drop .

Комментарий от 317532

Less dps than some one handers: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50016/rib-spreader/

Комментарий от 497534

Nice wepn.. you can crit with this about 6K even when in Savage Set.

Комментарий от 449801

Dont try to get this anymore, not with the new instances and stuff, its hardly worth the time..

Комментарий от 612918

Now, i'm really curious to know how the "Find upgrades..." tool works, since it states that for a fury warrior Inevitable Defeat is way better than BoH.

Link.

Комментарий от Salaterez

Is now truely a hunter weapon.

Комментарий от crawen

This isn't only a hunter weapon since 1 str gives 2 ap to a war or a retpally or a dk, but agi gives 1 ap/1agi for warriors, retpallys and dks as well. For warriors and pallys, str improves block value by 0,5 bv/point of str (for prot pallys str increases spell power by 1/0,6), and for dks 1 point of str gives 0.25% parry chance. So, choosing a Betrayer as one of the aforementioned classes gives ~66+226=292 ap, which is highly above the average of ~210 ap gained from iLvL 213 two-handed weapons. As a bonus to the 87 crit rating as a green stat on the axe, a retpally gains ~1.1% crit while obtaining this weapon, warriors and dks gain ~1% crit chance from the 66 agility.

To sum up: Betrayer of Humanity was the most suitable choice for every 2h melee class at the opening of Naxxramas, though it functioned very well as a hunter weapon.

Комментарий от crazeheals

I remember when I was 73-ish leveling at the beginning of WOTLK and there was this huge Tauren Warrior dual wielding two of these. Everybody was still experimenting with the Titan's Grip thing. I literally shat myself when I saw that ! At least I was playing on a PVE realm at that time but boy what a shock I had.

Offtopic: I think I finally did naxx 10 in 3.2 while the guy above was doing Naxx 25 way before I was even close to dinging 80. Shows how much dedication some people have to the game and how sad it it to see so much work put in the game just become "obsolete" in future patches.

This is why I would love to see blizzard come up with ideas to at least make "class specific items" or legendaries feel like they will last forever (transmog and whatnot).

Have a nice day !

Комментарий от Allakhazam

where is this from?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

It is not unique since it is a 2 handed weapon!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

HA wooot good for DKs!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

/drools/

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Sweet jesus, That is one badass axe and since its not unique I want two :)

1212 - 1820 damage :drools:

Комментарий от Allakhazam

drops from kel'thuzad in naxx heroic

Комментарий от Allakhazam

LoL u know there are gunna be Wars using Titans Grip for this. Just the stamina from this thing alone if dual wielded would be 2420 hp, which is a hell of a lot for a weapon, not to mention the 452 AP gain from this.

Edited, Jan 14th 2009 5:43pm by kyraztor

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