It would be nice to see some numbers on how good armour reduction is in terms of it's implication for DPS.

Shady dealer's leggings https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30898 and rogue Tier 6 Sholders (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=31030) and Gloves (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=31026) have armour reduction stats.

There is a definate upward trend in the gear with this "stat" on in 2.1.0.

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Taken from Stampy on the the Warrior Tier 6 comments. Don't know on the "validity" but it looks legit.

"The reduction in melee damage for A armor on a level L mob or player (for L > 60) is A / (A + 467.5L - 22167.5).

When you hit someone, your damage is multiplied by (1-reduction), or (467.5L - 22167.5)/(A + 467.5L - 22167.5). For clarity let, C = 467.5L - 22167.5; so the damage multiplier is C/(A+C).

When you hit someone ignoring X armor, your damage is multiplied by C/(A-X+C). So, / is how much harder you hit with X armor penetration.

This simplifies to (A+C) / (A+C-X).

For a level 70 enemy, C = 10557.5. The improvement caps out at X=403; and you will do 3.82% more damage ignoring 403 armor than you would have done without ignoring armor. This scales down to rapidly to 3.32% more damage at a more realistic 2000 armor, its 2% more at 10000 armor, and 1.67% at 14000 armor.

Against a raid boss, you will do 3.37% more vs 403base armor, 2.97% more against 2000 base armor, 1.87% more vs. 10000, and 1.58% more against 14000.

Overall, the bad news is that these arent necessarily huge damage increases, but the good news is that they have godly scaling. No mechanic in the game reduces the quality of the scaling; unlike crit caps on mobs and resilience for pvp. Even glancing blows will hit X% harder.

By the time you get to the point of full tier 6, you should be hitting hard enough that the incremental upgrades to attack power that are available are not going to be able to complete with a 2%+ damage amplification from armor penetration.

Armor penetration vs. crit will be more interesting to watch... it will depend on gearing. In PvP, 2%+ more damage might be worth a much higher crit percent, if enemy players are stacking resilience. In PvE, if gear is available to put us up near crit caps, percent damage increases from armor penetration might be much more valuable for raiding. But, thats all speculation... i dont think a real answer can be put on that until we see what kind of gear people are wearing when more than a few select guilds are wearing tier 6."

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any screenshots yet?

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Any idea where/how to get this? BT?

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Its drops from Azgalor in Hyjal Summit

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no screenshots yet?

anyways...its most likely the weapon on that T5-screen ( http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2007/may/t5_weapons/rogue.jpg ) as all other known daggers have different skins

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Anyone tested this armor reduction on ranged attacks?

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Fun fact: This dagger leaves a trail of glowing green eyes in the air when you run around

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This dagger looks just Awsome with https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30865 and 2 glowing orb trail rox , they both create imba visual pair

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If you have enough armor penetration, this dagger will begin to out scale others. I've only got a little over 600 armor penetration between T6 Shoulders, T6 Gloves, and both the Zul'Aman ring (Signet of Primal Wrath) and the badge ring (Angelista's Revenge); but this dagger is starting to be better for me than using Tracker's blade in the offhand as a rogue spec'd for mutilate.

Remember to always reevaluate your gear when it changes, especially with stats like armor penetration. You may find something that wasn't upgrade may be one now.

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anybody know?

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Thats some serious DPS

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if i get that i will be doing some serious damage until WOTLK comes out
~ slashandmash 70 rogue aerie peak

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Just got on my rogue
Pretty nice

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Drops off the Pit Lord Azgalor in "The Battle of Mt. Hyjal", Caverns of Time instance.

Edited, Jul 24th 2007 11:43am by Kaneiac

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A developer: "Hey, lets make an armor penetration stat!"
A developer in another room: "Hey, lets make all the PvP cloth have increased armor!"

I know this game is not all about PvP but this is the feeling I get from this :P

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since when did clothies suck against rogues? yeah maybe if rogues get the jump.. but chances are anyone is !@#$ed if you dont see them coming.

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wow this thing has as much dps as my warriors 2h does O.O

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Using this with the Night Blade and serrated blades (sub spec) you can get your opponets armor down over 2K pretty quick.

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Debilsi....

I'm really glad that your rogue can store 10 combo points....kidney shot and then expose armor...that must be one of those private server things. I wish people had to pass these comments through an IQ test to make sure they were 1) on subject and 2) made any attempt at being competent in some known language.

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omg youre all being such whiners. have you not noticed how severely rogues have been nerfed? seriously, you can give them some armor reduction effects. plus it only makes sense right? rogues, masters of subtlety and assassination, why woulnt they be able you cut thru yer armor?

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saw a rogue with it in AV , PRETTY SMALL DAGGER BUT LOOKS BADDASS^^

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And when I say pair I know that these things are unique, pair meaning a different dagger of equal dps in off hand.. anyway just wanted to clear that up before someone decided to flame me.. lol

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I am a subtlety rogue with tier 6 ^.^ and this for my main hand i can deal out some nice crits plus all the extra armor i ignore from other trinkets,armor and this i level out cloth wearers no prob.

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To go with my comment above one trinket i have that helps with ignoring armor is my madness of the betrayer and my other dagger helps to the night blade

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This is amusing to watch.

I've played a rogue quite a while despite my relatively low level of forty on account that I returned to my all time favorite class of the mage and I lack the intensive time to level myself to 70 in say, a month in a half, as I know some of you are perfectly capable of.

Anyhow, even at level forty I realize that Blizzard has only made it possible for one to accumulate 5 combo points.

5.

No more. Nada. Zip. Zero. 0. Period.

Spam sinister strike after you get your fifth combo point and you get nothing back from it.

Nothing.

And remember, expose armor and kidney shot both need 5 combo points.

Also, you seem to say that it is possible to achieve several combo points within a second.

Now that's perfectly reasonable, save for the existence of say, I don't know, perhaps global cooldowns?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this case is closed, and I'd like to ask the next *!@#$%ed hunter come forward and post so I can smack them about Hunter versus Rogue weaponry.

Until next time,
Voice Of Sanity - Saving the minds of the innocent since 2:49 PM, September 13th.

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ok obviously hes saying he will have reached a total of 10 combo points, with 120 engery and 6 seconds it is possible to grab another 5 to make ten total gained combo points since the cheapshot

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I saw someone ask "does the armor debuff apply for ranged attacks". Would a hunter seriously consider this weapon? Anyways, the top end dmg on this thing is great, ive already seen a couple of people running around with it on my server.

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I love all of you first off.. This comment log has been almost as entertaining as barrens chat on a server full of 14 year olds.. Not as many Chuck Norris jokes though. Anyhow, I agree that several of the bad-grammar ridden comments have been silly, the one point that I will not use against them is: It seems obvious (even though they can barely type) that whoever said the 10 combo points thing (im not pressing back to check, too lazy) meant he can achieve 10 combo points before you get unstunned, not all at once. 5 (then smack with a finisher) then get 5 more (and smack with another finisher). As for skill between stun rogues and I BLASTED YO' ASS INTO THE STONEAGE WITH AN AMBUSH rogues, they both require no skill. Anyone with the experience to pull off a successful stunlock rogue probably uses so many mods that its not really a precision thing anymore, and anyone with the time and lack of life to build a SUPERCRIT oneshot rogue doesn't use skill, just another character, and god forbid it, maybe even purchased gold. Neither is a skilled player necessarily (although they can be, and just be lazy). Finally, this dagger is ok, but id much rather find a nice crit chance/high agi dagger any day, ripping even 3k armor off a warrior/paladin is pointless. Who cares? That's like peeling the top layer off of a brick.. wonderful.. its...still...a...brick... You aren't going to gain any reasonable amount of damage versus a well geared char. Against clothies... maybe this'll help, but god help you if youre fighting a plate-wearer. Anyhow, I will be going after this dagger. I know what you're all thinking.. but you just said its worthless. Yes, I know... but damn, it just looks so cool.

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This comment is about this nice dagger drop. This dagger can be used as a skinning knife if you wish to try it then go ahead! It has a good DPS on it and once i saw a MT using it lol! because all he had was a 2h weapon (but he ninja'd the dagger for intimating costs...)

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actually its a very good weapon for my hunter:P
btw with Messager of Fate as offhand

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When i'm specc'd Comabt dual sword i rape warriors (especially tanks), not the other way around, unless they got S3/T6 gear, with at least 4k more hp then me (i have 10,5K). when i'm Subtelty with daggers i rape most spellcasters out there( so what u can fear,dot me or frost nova and blink away? i got shadow-step/cloak of ubberness and u can't run 30 yards that fast :P). Only BM %^&*!@#s are worse.

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Well, envenom's damage all depends on ur spec. If ur assassination and u have vile poisons (a talent that increases the damage done by envenom by 20%) then envenom has the potential of doing more damage than eviscerate. Hope this tries to help u understand.

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For the exception of locks, they have problems vs very skilled rogues with clos and other CDs (Sarcasm about the skill part) :D :) Eglence Forum
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