I am a paladin and i must say that this seems to be warrior belt. We have things like "fallen crusader",
thou i have seen paladins with this item.

I dont think this is any good for paladin because every paladin(yes retribution too) needs lots of mana and i cant see here any intellect. I pity those paladins who has 3k mana pool and lots of warrior items. i would never use single one DKP in this item because there simply is better ones for paladin.

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This dropped, and a Paladin in our Raid got it, well deserved I believe.
The Warriors spent their DKP elsewhere.
The Paladin did not.
Very Fair.

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Pallies only need spell crit for seal of righteousness, holy shock, judge of righteousness, and healing spells.
Our Seal of command, the one that does the bigger holy dmg, uses MELEE crit, and is increased from Str.

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Scshadowseer:

Let me let you in on a little secret about DPS warriors and raiding; we kill stuff, that's our job in the raid. We're not there to taunt and tank, we're there to deal damage. Period.

Paladins are in a raid to buff and heal, and, AFTER those very necessary jobs are done, DPS a little on the side. Period.

Taking the foregoing into account, stop being greedy and selfish, and give the damn DPS warrior one of the only TWO pieces of armor in MC they really need - this belt and the Flameguard Gauntlets. I don't care if you have the DKP to win this, you just shouldn't. It would be like a DPS warrior spending his/her DKP on Lawbringer gear that would be an "upgrade" for them (even though they can't use half the stats on Lawbringer).

Okay, coming down to the end of my rant, I wanted to let you in on a little secret. We have this talent called Blood Craze that heals us when we take a crit. Not much, but it helps (as does the crusader and lifesteal procs we get while doing our job slaughtering stuff). However, we don't rely on these self heals 'cause WE'RE NOT HEALERS. We need nice people like you to heal us. I personally cannot remember ever having to ASK for a heal while raiding - it's understood that the tanks are first priority, and DPS warriors and rogues get ours afterward. If people are having to ASK YOU for heals, AND YOU think you need this belt, it leads to the conclusion that YOU aren't properly fulfilling your role in the raid, i.e., buff, heal, DPS - in that order.

Okay, I'm off my soapbox, and back on topic:

OMFG this is THE BEST readily-obtainable belt for DPS warriors. Bar none.

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Yer, just bought this from Raggy the vendor with my hard earned DKP ;) No +int/spi, +def or shield block on this one - and it doesn't restore any mana or increase healing - every item point (and lots of them!) spend on +str,+sta,+hit,+crit. Best belt in game (except for Girdle of the Mentor, which drops in Naxx) for an arms warrior like myself, both for pve and pvp.
One of the few must-have items in MC for a dps warr. This + flameguard gauntlets (have 'em) + maybe the quick strike ring and why not top it all off with a nice 2h from raggy (spinal reaper or bonereaver's edge).

Only bad thing about it is that it's not part of a set, so when going from e.g. the highlander's set and changing the belt to this one you loose 1% crit (but gain a lot of strength and 1% hit) - but will make it up eventually with better boots than the highlander ones... so no worries. Just comparing the belts, this one is superb.

Oh, and stop bashing the pallies, they're called that for a reason - nice pals to have around in raids :)

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Why cant you except that their are paladins around who c�n do dps? Sure, I cant outdamage everyone, but I have been first in the dps list in ZG, I usually am in the top 10 in MC so I can dps a bit.

I won this item yesterday because I had most dkp and I will surely make good use of it.

I know paladins are not primarely a dps class, and I have a healing set for when I need to heal, but using my Zin'rokh in combination with my full damage gear gives some nice dps output

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...given that in places like MC they tend to be the ones doing the damage as opposed to Cleansing etc. That said, if a pally wants to get this to do DPS (try this with the Pally PvP gear :) ) then personally (as a Retrib. pally) I don't see a problem - although it would be polite to ask the Arms Warriors first.

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LOL, since when are Mortal Strike warrior consistent PVE DPS? Fury is the only way to go for endgame warrior DPS...and yeah, fury is far more gear-dependent than MS, but thats mainly because yo are expected to have gotten decent fury gear by the time you are doing endgame instances (MC/BWL isn't endgame, btw). And if you are really incapable of raiding, do what your spec is designe to do: PVP. Since the 2.0.1 patch, PVP gear is far easier to get, so go and grind out your rank 12-14 gear, hen apply to a raiding guild (BTW, respec fury once you've gotten the rank 14 weapons, noone wants MS warriors, its a waste of a debuff slot)

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Let's start with the basics
DPS:Damage per SECOND
DPS is used to characterize STEADY damage done over the period of the fight. Paladins and DPS don't walk together, cause paladins are based on PROCS! Paladins have burst damage

List of DPS classes would be
1st) Mages
2nd) Rogues
3rd) Fury Warriors
4th) Warlocks
But this may always vary

About Arms warriors...They give a 4% increase to all physical damage done and since rogues are number 2 and in many cases top in dps meters it's a 4% increase in their damage
An Arms warrior with Nightfall(the weapon that places a 15% increased spell damage on a mob) is a great asset to any raid although he doesn't deal that much damage himself

Anyway no reasonable guild wouldn't give prio to Warriors for this belt. I'm not going to go over if it's good or not for paladins ofc its good. If you dont't have Fallen crusader one :)

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But guess what man, SoC procs consistently, which equates to comparable damage over time.

Think of it this way for those having trouble to comprehend:

A dual wielding fury warrior has a chance to miss on every attack.

So, he swing his mainhand and offhand with the following outcome:

Mainhand: hit
Offhand: miss

But yet you wouldn't say DW Fury warriors aren't dps 'cos they have a higher chance to miss.

A Pally uses a 2Hander so has a much higher chance to hit.

It is the same principle as SoC procs, albeit that SoC may not proc (equivalent of a miss) more often than a fury warrior (with substantial +hit gear) misses, but the SoC will also do alot more damage than the warriors swing.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Superior PvP belt indeed, great to see such items :)

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eh.....

jk

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wats best about this piece - its plate

finally, something great that hunter has NO right on it

got fed up of frigging hunters stealing my 2handers

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truly amazing...
the warriors/palas that get this one can feel pretty darn lucky!

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Awesome sauce.

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Very nice, should consider to reroll a warrior :o

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Got mine today

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first Dragon Legion Raggy kill on Zenedar EU as the second alliance guild to pull it off...
the whole fight laster 4.5 minutes, raggy @ 29% before first wave of the sons of flame, then WTFPWNED raggy with only 6 people dead...

16 debuff slots FTW :p

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I just got it, I love the hit chance on it, every scrap of +hit makes my life so much easier as a fury warrior. Best dps plate belt until Girdle of the Mentor in Naxx. =D

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just wow

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finally, something great that hunter has NO right on it

got fed up of frigging hunters stealing my 2handers

Well , aren't hunters allowed to use 2 handed weapons by you? We got as much right to use 2 handed weapons as you do , and a roll for needed items is fair. Not stealing. We can't use mail before lvl 40 and all classes have their strength and weakness. So all in all! Stop complaining when a person rolls on an item that you so eagerly longs for. It is nothing but fair.

THNX

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Why the hell are people talking about hunters 2h rolling anyways? This is a bloody plate item, lets stick to the pally vs warrior plate rolling =P.

Was a joke, but in all seriousness if a pally rolled on this his/her head would be thrown in molten lava.
Slightly disappointed there is not agil on this belt, and also bit disappointed the ac is lower than the belt off the master smith guy in ubrs. personally i like 1% parry, but 1% hit isnt so bad. But it should dam hell be 2% crit considering its off ragnaros. I would much rather the stats be;
530armor
21str
10agil
11stam
2%crit
1%parry

Edited, Sat Jun 18 21:40:30 2005

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I did read all of that and have come to the inescapable conclusion that this item is only for Dual wielding Mage melee/rage/MS/berzerker/crossbow wielding pacifists

Do the math , ur head will explode.

Besides that whichever warrior or pally wants to spend the most points gets it.

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Finally got this after about 7 months, we've only gotten 3 in that time.

Love the look of it, even if it is just a belt. :P

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This is my second 60 warrior. We killed Rag for over a year on my first one, and never saw it drop. My first kill on this toon lasnight, and he drops it ^_^ What do you know, I have the most DKP by a landslide :P

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how did u guys read all that...I quit after the second guy typed out wat the first guy gave u a link for...WOW players are smarter than I thought they were O.o

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Heres how I see +Crit and +Hits.

Fact 1: Crit affects all actions including misses, this stated from Blizzard

Fact 2: +Hit Items take away from miss default totals

Fact 3: +5 Chance to Hit = 5 extra hits from the miss total.

Fact 4: Crit will affect those 5 extra hits from the miss total because of FACT 1.

Fact 5: +Crit will not take away from Hit rate, otherwise Rogues would be missing like a mofo and doing nerfed damage with their 30%+ Crit rate subtracting Directly from Hit Rate. Also, warriors would then miss Overpower almost always due to 75% or so Crit chance of Overpower with gear.

Fact 6: Crit has no limit and can increase more than +HIT due to your Miss cap, so its POSSIBLE that your crit rate COULD one day be 100% if Blizzard implemented such gear but you can never get less than 0% miss because then you'd be getting extra attacks.

Fact 7: You can add more +Crit stuff than +Hit stuff in game via Potions, Elemental Stones, Gear etc. than +Hit. (EVENTUALLY higher (100% or so) crit would greatly outweigh 100% hit. 100% hit is way more feasable though with the right gear and Blizz helping on the Miss Caps.)

Thank you.

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Code:

swing = random 100

if swing <= miss_chance
then miss; end

swing = swing - miss_chance

if swing <= parry_chance
then parry; end

swing = swing - parry_chance

if swing <= dodge_chance
then dodge; end

swing = swing - dodge_chance

if swing <= block_chance
then block; end

swing = swing - block_chance

if swing <= glancing_blow_chance
then glancing_blow; end

swing = swing - glancing blow chance

if swing <= crit_chance
then crit; end

hit

In English:
I have a miss chance of 20%
My opponent has a parry chance of 5%
- Dodge chance of 7%
- Block chance of 8%
My opponent has a glancing blow chance of 0%
I have a crit chance of 20%

I roll 85

85 <= 20 is FALSE, not a miss, remove 20 from 85 and keep going.

65 <= 5 is FALSE, not a parry, remove 5 from 65 and keep going

60 <= 7 is FALSE, not a dodge, remove 7 from 60 and keep going

53 <= 8 is FALSE, not a block, remove 8 from 53 and keep going

45 <= 0 is FALSE, not a glance, remove 0 from 45 and keep going

45 <= 20 is FALSE, not a crit.

Stuff it, hit.

In this example, out of a random roll 1 to 100...

1 to 20: Miss
21 to 25: parry
26 to 32: dodge (32% chance that you won't do damage)
33 to 40: block
(no glance)
41 to 60: crit (20% of swings crit)
61 to 100: hit (33% of crit+hit is made of crits)

Consequences
If the miss + parry + dodge + block + glance + crit chances add up to more than 100, you can't land a standard hit - only crits.

if miss/parry/dodge/block/glance add up to 100 or more, you can't crit a white swing, and all swings will be mitigated.

If miss/parry/dodge add up to 100 or more, you can't land a hit at all. (thus: Rogues can't parry)

Increasing your parry/dodge/block will not decrease the number of crits you take over a given time period, unless the combined chance is more than 95%

For an ability, block is a seperate roll, so you can both crit and be blocked at the same time. For white damage, a block prevents a crit.

Shield block spam + improved shield block can make you virtually immune to crits.

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Dropped off Rag for us tonight on the Bloodhoof server. Fury specced warrior ftw

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got it from ragnaros 1st kill today
31/5/15, 33.80crit chance unbuffed :)

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have one
nice item 4 pvp
pala frostmoure

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RobertGarcia, that info is totally wrong...you interpreted Blizzard's info very badly :/

Its a common school of thought that a Crit must be a Hit first. Not in this game actually.

The swing chances table is divided into 3:

Hit
Crit (A crit is an auto-hit)
Miss

They are 3 seperate tables, adding to any one of those means substracting to the opposite.

so..lets say i have 70% Hit, 20% Crit, 10% Miss (Imaginary numbers) BASE.

I get +5% Hit and +10% crit from items, heres what happens:

Miss % becomes 5% (Miss - Hit bonus)
Hit % becomes 65% (Hit + Hit Bonus - Crit Bonus)
Crit % becomes 30% (Crit + Crit bonus)

Since your whole swing chances equal 100%. the percentage from each bonus is distributed.

The only thing to understand here is that a Crit is NOT a Hit! A crit is an auto-hit. A Hit is just a regular Hit.

Hope you understand.

................................... An crit does need to hit, nuub -.-, ever heard of rogues missin' full point evis with coldblood? :)

Edited, Sun Feb 19 10:31:21 2006

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considering how naxx loot (girdle of the mentor) is a minor upgrade from this MC item, i'd say this is a very nice belt indeed. :D

Комментарий от Allakhazam

wtf

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all i can say is amazing really.

add this to a warrior/pally pvp set ftw

Комментарий от Allakhazam

so you say, that hunters should roll on 2handers more than warriors? would it be okay that a warrior would roll on a DHC if a hunter would be in the party. warriors need guns for pulling too.

Комментарий от Allakhazam

dropped for us also
Lorune from Inner Sanctum guild on Silvermoon got it
:)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

hey, STFU. kthx. stealing? can hunters use 2handers? i think so. so have another whaaburger and some more frenchcries plz.

Was that a put down or just trying to sound intellegent. opps failure.

Eh Hunters do get 2 handers think you reconfirmed what he just said.

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holy crapola batman!

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finally omokk's garter belt gets replaced!

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hunters...meleeing? unless your getting your skill up the only reason to melee is to run past, and do a wing clip+raptor strike. Thats it. If a hunter is trying to melee in freaken pvp, go re-roll a warrior nub.

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wow....amazing

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